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safety concern?
I guess I'd be most concerned about anything which might involve personnal safety of anyone. I also would not get onboard any vessel which i thought was unsafe regardless who the captain was. Beyond the safety concern, I'm not sure I'd venture an opinion unless I was asked. Then I'd recommend some other expert (yard, etc.) check the problem out. Giving more specifics would help give better opinions.
I guess I'd be most concerned about anything which might involve personnal safety of anyone. I also would not get onboard any vessel which i thought was unsafe regardless who the captain was. Beyond the safety concern, I'm not sure I'd venture an opinion unless I was asked. Then I'd recommend some other expert (yard, etc.) check the problem out. Giving more specifics would help give better opinions.
Is not what you say, it is how you say it....
You can also beat around the bush asking questions about the boat, and you can give your own "misunderstanding" about the strength of the boat without out right confrontation. My opinion when people claim that they are "brutally ownest" is really that they are a bunch of mean sob's....many ways of packaging information without hurting people. Then again, what are you trying to accomplish? Are you going to beat your chest as to how much knowledge you have? What difference does it make if you tell them anything? Is it really crucial information? If this person is a coastal cruiser and never plans to travel around the world...what do you accomplish by telling him that his boat is not a blue water cruiser that could withstand 25 ft seas? I have alot opinions about people who call themselves "Nameless", like they are cowards, not worthy of posting, gutless, something to hide...but since I am a nice guy and verbalizing my opinion does not accomplish anything...I will remain silent and keep those opinions to myself...get the point? abe
You can also beat around the bush asking questions about the boat, and you can give your own "misunderstanding" about the strength of the boat without out right confrontation. My opinion when people claim that they are "brutally ownest" is really that they are a bunch of mean sob's....many ways of packaging information without hurting people. Then again, what are you trying to accomplish? Are you going to beat your chest as to how much knowledge you have? What difference does it make if you tell them anything? Is it really crucial information? If this person is a coastal cruiser and never plans to travel around the world...what do you accomplish by telling him that his boat is not a blue water cruiser that could withstand 25 ft seas? I have alot opinions about people who call themselves "Nameless", like they are cowards, not worthy of posting, gutless, something to hide...but since I am a nice guy and verbalizing my opinion does not accomplish anything...I will remain silent and keep those opinions to myself...get the point? abe
Maybe
If their misperception was a big overestimate of the boats seaworthiness and they were planning an offshore trip, then it would be appropriate. If it was just to burst their bubble and they weren't in any harm, then....
If their misperception was a big overestimate of the boats seaworthiness and they were planning an offshore trip, then it would be appropriate. If it was just to burst their bubble and they weren't in any harm, then....
Thanks all
The boat is a Benny 361. The owner is under the impression that it is a heavy boat (19,000 lbs with a 9,000 keel) when it's actually a light boat (12,790 and 4,156). He doesn't have any plans other then coastal cruising so I guess it's not that important.
The boat is a Benny 361. The owner is under the impression that it is a heavy boat (19,000 lbs with a 9,000 keel) when it's actually a light boat (12,790 and 4,156). He doesn't have any plans other then coastal cruising so I guess it's not that important.
Big Difference...
...I don't think it's my business to make a call on someone else's boat unless they ask. Maybe you could print out some spec sheets and just drop them off without comment. Or, not. That's a big misunderstanding of specifications, tho. Rick D>
...I don't think it's my business to make a call on someone else's boat unless they ask. Maybe you could print out some spec sheets and just drop them off without comment. Or, not. That's a big misunderstanding of specifications, tho. Rick D>
I stay in a marina with affordable boats
(read that old)some of them are in questionable condition and some have been well kept and up-graded. At 30 feet mine is one of the larger boats. It carries oversize standing rigging, a larger than average anchor. When I tell others of the ventures we have made Many say that they wouldn't have a safe feeling in their boats. I believe that most owners have a pretty good understanding of the limitations of their boats. They may overstate the size but that is just man talk.
(read that old)some of them are in questionable condition and some have been well kept and up-graded. At 30 feet mine is one of the larger boats. It carries oversize standing rigging, a larger than average anchor. When I tell others of the ventures we have made Many say that they wouldn't have a safe feeling in their boats. I believe that most owners have a pretty good understanding of the limitations of their boats. They may overstate the size but that is just man talk.
Why not just print out the brochure
and leave it on his boat in a plastic bag? He can read, can't he?
and leave it on his boat in a plastic bag? He can read, can't he?
Benny 361
I wouldn't worry about it. I have a Benny 361 and she'll coastal cruise just fine. No need to worry about a reef until it hits 20kts. She takes waves and rough water with little pounding. Just a very nice handling boat that loves a beam reach, typical of coastal winds. I used to have a Benny 310 out of Atlantic City and for 3years ran her on the ocean. Never any problems with her and the 361 is much more stable and capable a vessel. I wouldn't hesitate to run her along the coast north or south. Matter of fact I'd love to do a run to New England with her. Just need the time and money to do it.
I wouldn't worry about it. I have a Benny 361 and she'll coastal cruise just fine. No need to worry about a reef until it hits 20kts. She takes waves and rough water with little pounding. Just a very nice handling boat that loves a beam reach, typical of coastal winds. I used to have a Benny 310 out of Atlantic City and for 3years ran her on the ocean. Never any problems with her and the 361 is much more stable and capable a vessel. I wouldn't hesitate to run her along the coast north or south. Matter of fact I'd love to do a run to New England with her. Just need the time and money to do it.
That depends on
Ross I believe that depends on your experience, point of view and overall comfort level. Yes the edges can cause problems. It's hard to run aground when your miles off shore, and we all know that shallow water can get very nasty. But coastal cruising also affords the comfort of more options if you plan ahead and watch your weather windows. If you know you have a nasty front coming at you, there's places to duck into and ride it out. That means getting in before the inlet has breakers running across the mouth of it. It also means timing your arrival in a new port so your not running it for the first time at night. You're also more likely to have radio contact with just a VHF. And if you do get into trouble there's a whole lot more in the way of resources that can support you quicker and effectively than if your half way across the ocean. The original post referred to coastal cruising not ocean passages or bay sailing, therefore the concern and associated responses. Mike
Ross I believe that depends on your experience, point of view and overall comfort level. Yes the edges can cause problems. It's hard to run aground when your miles off shore, and we all know that shallow water can get very nasty. But coastal cruising also affords the comfort of more options if you plan ahead and watch your weather windows. If you know you have a nasty front coming at you, there's places to duck into and ride it out. That means getting in before the inlet has breakers running across the mouth of it. It also means timing your arrival in a new port so your not running it for the first time at night. You're also more likely to have radio contact with just a VHF. And if you do get into trouble there's a whole lot more in the way of resources that can support you quicker and effectively than if your half way across the ocean. The original post referred to coastal cruising not ocean passages or bay sailing, therefore the concern and associated responses. Mike
Truth...
When does truth not play in politically correct... If you know something that some one else dosn't know... Is it not your responsibilty to tell them so that they do not harm themselves? Yes life is tough... When your kids screw-up, do you blow it off or do you take the time to gently correct what you believe is wrong.... Life is funny that even if something is wrong,... many people don't see it that way. Prepare your argument with the care that you would want someone to present a negative to you... If you don't present it to them, they live in the falseity of their thinking. Sure, that might make them angry at you but you just may save them from thinking something wrong to thinking something that may save them...So.. Say what you Know.. the truth speaks for itself.. Gravity is always gravity and truth will always be truth. Therories will stand to be proven.. Do not allow someone to continue to be ignorant if you know the fact to be wrong, It may hurt them...Speak out! Merry Christmas, r.w.landau
When does truth not play in politically correct... If you know something that some one else dosn't know... Is it not your responsibilty to tell them so that they do not harm themselves? Yes life is tough... When your kids screw-up, do you blow it off or do you take the time to gently correct what you believe is wrong.... Life is funny that even if something is wrong,... many people don't see it that way. Prepare your argument with the care that you would want someone to present a negative to you... If you don't present it to them, they live in the falseity of their thinking. Sure, that might make them angry at you but you just may save them from thinking something wrong to thinking something that may save them...So.. Say what you Know.. the truth speaks for itself.. Gravity is always gravity and truth will always be truth. Therories will stand to be proven.. Do not allow someone to continue to be ignorant if you know the fact to be wrong, It may hurt them...Speak out! Merry Christmas, r.w.landau
Definition of coastal cruising
Ross I believe we'll have to agree to disagree. Just my personal opinion based on experience as well as from reading about countless people on all sorts of boats cruising not only the coast, but the world.
Ross I believe we'll have to agree to disagree. Just my personal opinion based on experience as well as from reading about countless people on all sorts of boats cruising not only the coast, but the world.
I think Abe hit it on the head
it depends on your motives and how you say things. Unfortunately this forum is becoming more and more a domain of the chest thumpers.
it depends on your motives and how you say things. Unfortunately this forum is becoming more and more a domain of the chest thumpers.
Sorry guys
Sorry guys, my fault. You'd think after 30 years of marriage I'd know when to shut up
Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Mike
Sorry guys, my fault. You'd think after 30 years of marriage I'd know when to shut up
Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Mike- Status