Conversion of Motorcycle Bluetooth Headsets to Boat Headsets....

Apr 5, 2009
3,288
Catalina '88 C30 tr/bs Oak Harbor, WA
Sumner,
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Now that I've moved to the southwestern corner of British Columbia with its deeper anchorages, I have to address the lack of a windlass. I have, though, found at least two nice anchorages that are still only 20 feet! :) ...
Now Stu, you have been in the PWN long enought to know that there is no such thing as a 20' anchorage. Given a 15' tidal range it is either 5'-20', 20'-35' or something in between. I personally never try anchoring in lest than 25' topo's on the chart because they get scarry on a low-low! :eek:
 
Nov 26, 2008
1,970
Endeavour 42 Cruisin
I really can't imagine anyone using an anchor 45# plus and the appropriate chain who cruises extensively without an electric windlass, unless they have more than 2 on board. Hand signals aside, we have seen several boats with manual windlasses come very close to seriously damaging, if not flat out losing their boats, in late night or early morning squalls here in the eastern Caribbean.
One very nearly caught our anchor as the helmsperson could not hold the boat into the wind and was pushed across our anchor chain with the anchor dragging on the bottom after breaking free. It took them around 45 minutes to get their anchor aboard in 60 knots of wind in that squall.
We pull our chain at a rate of 60 feet per minute, in any amount of wind. No need to hold the boat into the wind for extended periods or worry about dragging our anchor across the bottom after it has broken free. An electric windlass is a safety tool, not a convenience. A really cheap insurance policy for those who cruise extensively.
Hmmmm, an electric windlass that is much more prone to failure than headsets and is much more of a problem when it fails vs a manual windlass that is certainly significantly more reliable than an electric one. When the headsets fail, we can switch to hand signals. What to do when the electric windlass fails? The manual option on most windlasses is pretty limited.

I had absolutely zero problems using my Seatiger 555 manual windlass with my Mantus 65 pound anchor in 6 years of full time cruising. But I see and read about electric windlass failures often.
 

capta

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Jun 4, 2009
5,066
Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
Hmmmm, an electric windlass that is much more prone to failure than headsets and is much more of a problem when it fails vs a manual windlass that is certainly significantly more reliable than an electric one. When the headsets fail, we can switch to hand signals. What to do when the electric windlass fails? The manual option on most windlasses is pretty limited.

I had absolutely zero problems using my Seatiger 555 manual windlass with my Mantus 65 pound anchor in 6 years of full time cruising. But I see and read about electric windlass failures often.
Hmmmmm, that's really a pretty funny post. Every electric windlass I've ever used has a manual back up that leaves one with exactly the same option that anyone with a manual windlass has all the time. You just stick the bar in the slots (holes, depending on the windlass), push, pull and whee, up comes the anchor, all be it a bit more slowly than with electricity. And, needless to say, manual windlasses can fail, too, and then where's the back up for that; gene winches, I guess.
As we are a charter boat, sometimes anchoring as many as three times a day, from your post it would seem we are much overdo for our windlass to break down, which it has never once done in over 4 years of almost daily use. However, we do maintain it, checking the electrical connections for corrosion, dismantling and lubing it a few times a year and keeping it clean w/fresh water once in a while.
Like so much equipment aboard boats, I think you'll find that those who do regular maintenance on their gear have much less trouble than those who don't. There is absolutly no reason at all for an electric windlass to fail on a well maintained vessel.
 
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Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
5,254
Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
.....I don't know about the characteristics of your manual windlass, but I suggest that until the chain is straight "up&down" you could most likely pull it in faster by hand than with the manual windlass.

Good luck, nice to see you back and on the Endeavor. Have fun, I know how hard it is for you to do that! :)
Thanks Stu and hopefully we are finally on the water with the boat this spring. Yep, I won't use the windlass until I can't manually pull the chain aboard,

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MacGregor 26-S Mods...http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/endeavour-main/endeavour-index.html
Mac Trips to Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Canada, Florida, Bahamas
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
5,254
Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
I really can't imagine anyone using an anchor 45# plus and the appropriate chain who cruises extensively without an electric windlass, unless they have more than 2 on board.....
We now have a 35# Manson Supreme and a 37# CQR. I want a backup that is better than the CQR and the Manson is right at the recommended 'normal anchoring situation' recommendations for a 20,000+ lb. boat, so we will be ordering a 45# Mantus to replace the CQR and will only use it when we are in a serious storm situation. When we moved the boat I was able to get the Manson up without a windlass and probably still could if I had to.

I think you can find situations where people with about any gear have drug and caused other's problems. I can say with the gear I have on the Mac I've never had that happen and I'd like to later say the same with the Endeavour. I'm over anchored on the Mac.

I guess we will now migrate this to an anchor thread...;)

Sumner
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Jun 4, 2009
5,066
Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
so we wi;)ll be ordering a 45# Mantus to replace the CQR and will only use it when we are in a serious storm situation.
This is a fallacy.
It's all well and good to have a few 'heavy weather' anchors for things like hurricanes or tropical storms, but you'll have plenty of time to set up for those, these days. You need to have a #1 anchor that will hold in unforecast extreme conditions. You will be sitting on your #1 in some nice, pleasant anchorage when a squall, front or even waterspout/tornado comes along and puts you and your boat in extreme jeopardy. A 60 knot squall is not all uncommon to those who cruise, and you will not have the time to deploy your 'heavy weather' anchors. If your #1 doesn't make the grade you can be in a world of hurt, especially at 3AM.
 

walt

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Jun 1, 2007
3,550
Macgregor 26S Hobie TI Ridgway Colorado
Whats the range of bluetooth?
100 meters for class 1 but that is higher power generally where battery power is not used. I have a BT MP3 player and a BT speaker (both battery powered) and they start to lose lock and cut out probably in the 30 to 40 foot range.

Sumner did you test this? How far apart did they work when worn on your head like you would be using them on the boat?
 

WayneH

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Jan 22, 2008
1,121
Tartan 37 287 Pensacola, FL
The motorcycle headsets that the Admiral and I have are good for a 1/4 mile. Which if I remember the math correctly, is a lot farther than the bow to stern measurement of my boat. :biggrin: This was real world testing when I stopped to get fuel near the house and the Admiral continued on to the house on her motorcycle. We did several rides where she was leading the group of 10 or so and I was tailgunning so she would know that we all made the last turn. We are interesting this this idea because our new helmets came with bluetooth and we now have spare talkers. Another side benefit is you only talk to the paired headset so no one can interfere with your conversation.
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
5,254
Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
Sumner did you test this? How far apart did they work when worn on your head like you would be using them on the boat?
Sena claims 900 yds.....

https://www.sena.com/product/smh10/

Dottie was in the house when we tried them the other day and I was a ways out in the yard. They were clear as a bell. We have used them a lot riding double on the motorcycle but also have taken rides where I'm on a dirt bike and Dottie is on the Polaris ATV and have been at least 1/4 mile apart if not further. They are quality and I can actually hear clearer with the earmuffs vs. the motorcycle helmet since there isn't the room around the speakers like in the helmet. I'm hard of hearing and the Sena products are great. They also pair with our phones while riding but I'm not interested in that on the boat,

Sumner
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MacGregor 26-S Mods...
Mac Trips to Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Canada, Florida, Bahamas
 
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Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
5,254
Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
This is a fallacy.
It's all well and good to have a few 'heavy weather' anchors for things like hurricanes or tropical storms, but you'll have plenty of time to set up for those, these days. You need to have a #1 anchor that will hold in unforecast extreme conditions. You will be sitting on your #1 in some nice, pleasant anchorage when a squall, front or even waterspout/tornado comes along and puts you and your boat in extreme jeopardy. A 60 knot squall is not all uncommon to those who cruise, and you will not have the time to deploy your 'heavy weather' anchors. If your #1 doesn't make the grade you can be in a world of hurt, especially at 3AM.
I've got a little bit of anchoring experience at this point. The Manson that we bought is much better than the CQR that was on the boat and what people have used for years on boats this size. I have no problem using it as our #1 anchor. It is the recommended anchor for a 37' boat for all but heavier storm conditions.

True you can have a sudden squall hit but that is not the norm and during the day one should be able to see one coming, at least I could in Florida and the Bahamas. They aren't as frequent at night. I also check weather daily if in the Bahamas or Florida or anywhere I'm at. I've put two anchors down on the Mac if I felt the conditions warranted it. I'll do one or the other or both with the Endeavour depending on what I think I need to do at the time. I'll have options with the Manson and Mantus,

Sumner
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1300 miles to The Bahamas and Back in the Mac...
Endeavour 37 Mods...

MacGregor 26-S Mods...http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/endeavour-main/endeavour-index.html
Mac Trips to Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Canada, Florida, Bahamas
 
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Aug 3, 2012
2,542
Performance Cruising Telstar 28 302 Watkins Glen
Actually less than a $10 modification and 15-30 minutes of time. Sorry that you ended up spending money for headsets that weren't very good. We have used these extensively on the motorcycle and they have never given us the problems you experienced or what we did with a previous pair and as CarlN said it is "like talking in a quiet room even when the wind is howling on the bow.

Sumner
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1300 miles to The Bahamas and Back in the Mac...
Endeavour 37 Mods...
MacGregor 26-S Mods...
Mac Trips to Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Canada, Florida, Bahamas
Oh, no. We liked the headsets! We just didn’t bother after a while. We did use them on bicycles for a while. Eventually, we just stopped I think because my wife stopped taking longer rides with me. Maybe I can get her to start again. I think they can be a fine solution, just more gear that will eventually frustrate us. ASA taught us not to rely on sound, only hand signals.
I understand you’re happy with them. And that is cool.
 

walt

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Jun 1, 2007
3,550
Macgregor 26S Hobie TI Ridgway Colorado
Sena claims 900 yds.....
Thanks Sumner. I didnt read everything the first time... mostly saw HF and $10 LOL.. Sena BT communication sets do look like they work well.. and like you said. not cheap and also must be waterproof if used on motorcycle helmets.