Compound for old boat?

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Dec 9, 2006
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Oday 22 Hickory, NC
Hi folks,if you had a 34 year old boat that has sat out in the elements for at least the past 11 years...what would you use to compound it?
I tried some cleaner/wax, I could tell it need more than that?
Thanks in advance!
Jack
 
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Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Presta hands down!

Hi folks,if you had a 34 year old boat that has sat out in the elements for at least the past 11 years...what would you use to compound it?
I tried some cleaner/wax, I could tell it need more than that?
Thanks in advance!
Jack
Presta Gelcoat Compound and their black wool pad followed by Presta Ultra Cutting Creme and a 3M yellow wool polishing grade pad!

See and read this link: http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=108679
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,986
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
That's the best way to do it, MS is the expert

Re: "finding stuff"...

...if you can't find something or are looking for it or are asking "how hard is it to find something??" why not try Google. It works almost ALL the time.

These days, asking "Where can I find [something]?" should not be a plausible question to someone with access to a computer, really...:):):)
 
Dec 9, 2006
694
Oday 22 Hickory, NC
Stu, when I googled it it appeared that it is mostly sold through their web-site. When I asked the question I was hoping the answer would come back something like...You can get it at NAPA, or something along that line.
It did not appear when I googled that it is easy to find!
Jack
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,986
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Links & Searches

Jack, usually when MS gives us a link, it's the best he's got for access to the material, just sayin'...:) Sorry I didn't know you did that.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Maine-Sail, is the Presta easy to find?
Thanks
Jack
I'm sure there is a distributor in your area or it can be ordered directly from them. When I went looking for it I called them and asked who the distributor near Portland Maine was and they told me.. Their distributors are usually body shop supply wholesalers but will almost always sell to the general public too.

Gus Matta is the tech rep for your area he may be able to help: gus.matta@prestaproducts.com

Or the manufacturers reps for NC should steer you in the right direction:
http://www.malcopro.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=125&Itemid=66
 
Dec 9, 2006
694
Oday 22 Hickory, NC
Thanks Main Sail and Stu.
I was hoping I could walk in and purchase it somewhere.
I will e-mail Gus, mayby I can get some up here.
I am really enjoying working on this boat!
Jack
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
I restore old gelcoat quite differently, depending on the severity of the oxidation/degradation of the surface.
I use a pocket microscope and see how 'rough' the surface is initially. Then make a judgement of what grit to use (1000 grit ----> 2000 grit WET and Dry sandpaper) and wet sand the entire surface down to FLAT. The microscope will show when its FLAT, so I dont take off too much gel. W&D is 'lubricated' with detergent (a few drops per gallon of water) to keep the sandpaper clean. Sanding is done with rubber blocks. Wet sanding is VERY fast way to remove the oxidized layer.
IMHO if you 'blindly' compound away at gelcoat you can easily remove tooooo much of the surface and lessen the life in service of the gel (.... but gel is easy to re-spray).
BTW - before I start restoration I 'soak' the gelcoat with STRONG caustic detergents to remove any old 'dead' wax that may be in the 'pores' of the gel; old dead wax seems to accelerate the oxidation process.

Then when done and Im sure the surface is FLAT, I then use knobby foam rubber polishing discs on a variable speed auto body shop polisher using 1000-2000-3000 grit compound; actually I now use 3M Finese-it, then 3M Perfect-it 3000, then use Autobody shop 'glazing' compound, then Wax.

This is essentially how NEW boats are polished/buffed, etc. when they are pulled out of their molds.
 
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Jack,

Use Interlux Fiberglass Wash, it's strong and it works. I own a 36 yr old boat and just did it this spring. Straight from the can to a clean rag, it cuts through everything.




Hi folks,if you had a 34 year old boat that has sat out in the elements for at least the past 11 years...what would you use to compound it?
I tried some cleaner/wax, I could tell it need more than that?
Thanks in advance!
Jack
 
Oct 13, 2007
179
Hunter 37.5 Plattsburgh
I used a product called New Glass2 for the first time this year. Results look terrific. I'll keep anyone who wishes posted as to how it stands up to the summer boating season.
 
D

Deadline2

I'm with Rich

You have to fill the pores sooner or later.
I prefer Island Girl because it's a resin not a wax.
Directions are tedious but precise.
Try the website islandgirlproducts.com
 
T

tikvah50@gmail.com

Gel coat restoration

I am embarking on a similar project and will be using Vertglass a compound and sealer - go check out the website.

Louis
 
Aug 8, 2005
5
Cal T/2 Port McNeill, BC.
If the waxes do not work, then try VERTGLASS which is a polimer compound that seals the gelcoat and gives a high sheen. The process is to cut wax the hull removing all oxidation, then wash down the hull using their soap, then put about 4 to 7 coats or restorer on the open gelcoat. The following year, wash the hull and then 2 coats of restore. My hull is 36 years old and looks like new when applied. There is the every year maintenance, but the restore dries so quickly in warm weather that the process takes only a few hours. First time, depends on removal of oxides.
 
Jun 3, 2004
32
Islander Bahama 30 Muskegon
I have gone the compound the boat and wax the boat way and it helps the results are still not that great for the cost and effort. A friend of mine recommended the Vertglass system that he used on his boat 4 years ago. His boat has a great shine and draws a lot of complements. Last summer we did a test patch on my 1981 Islander B30 and it looked good still this spring. I ordered up a Vertglass kit from http://www.marinestore.com/vertglas-images.html?cart=33285123081434 The results were amazing and while it was far from easy it was still easier than what I had previously tried with unsatisfactory results. It took my wife and me about 2 days to apply the system and we were amazed. The boat looks like it is brand new and every one in the marina wanted to know what we had done to it. For 2 days we had people stopping by and asking about it, they thought it had been repainted. Vertglass can only be used on gel coat if you boat has been painted Vertglass will not work. I do not work for Vertglass but it works. The two pictures on the right are before and the two on the left are after, I did use Main Sail's On and Off trick on the tannin stains. In the third picture you can see the Virtglass test patch between the T and the I in HIP-KNOT-IC.
 

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Jan 17, 2006
11
Oday 322 Hollywood
Do not use compound or sanding on old fiberglass it does not work. I have had some success with the Poly type polish and it is much easier.
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
3,626
Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
Do not use compound or sanding on old fiberglass it does not work.
Absolutely not true. Old gelcoat can be made to look very good with proper compounding and polishing. This is not your average DIY job. It is something that needs the correct tools and supplies and then must be learned. If you were to apply any of the miracle products to the chalky gelcoat on the left it would not look nearly as good as the gelcoat to the middle or right of this cove stripe.

Photo courtesy of Maine Sail
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Do not use compound or sanding on old fiberglass it does not work. I have had some success with the Poly type polish and it is much easier.
Hmmm... Really??? I have not yet come across gelcoat I can't bring back...

How old is old?


Before & After (compounding only @15-20 minutes)
 
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