Complete Rebuild

[mattie411]

Hey all, I'm new to the forum and would like to say Hi to all. I just recently bought an old CS22 Hull, similar to a Catalina 22, and am doing a complete rebuild of the boat. The first thing I am tackling is the Galley. Its basically a bare shell inside, Im looking for info on sinks and water systems, toilets, burners, electrical systems etc... What do I need for the sink?; holding tank, pump, faucet, sink, ? toilet seems pretty straight forward, just a portable toilet, I assume these hook up to the battery to pump out? As for the electrical system, what do I need other than the battery? IE: how do i charge it while at sea? Looking forward to all the input and anyone that has experience in a complete rebuild feel free to give me some tips and things to look out for, Thanks all

-Matt

 

[sailormanbigd]

Refit

congrats.you would be much better of-get more help- if you were to divide your questions on your refit int specific items. Think about it...i just bought this car and i need to rebuild the engine, wire it , redo the interior....get the idea. You would do good by starting out with a good book on boat maint and repair. this website, store is very good place to buy from. Reasonable prices and excellent cust service and fast reasonable shipping. Also try craigslist and ebay, happy spending.

 

[Freedom77]

Nice looking boat. Where is Morrisburg? K.I.S.S. The more you can stow the more room you'll have below. My wife and I used to drop anchor in Catalina for a week every year. I own a '77 V25 which came with a built in PIA galley as part of the hull liner. I chopped it out glassed it in and made more cabin seating/sleeping room. You really can't cook while underway in a rolling sea and I bought a portable alchohol stove for heating up water for seal a meal boiling bags and coffee/tea while at anchor or beached and kept an airpot full of hot water for coffee. Sink, check with marine/camping/surplus stores for a lightweight portable or like us use a plastic tub. Toilet, just buy a 5 gallon capacity portapotty with seperate fresh/waste holding tank. Don't need to get fancy. Electrical. Make sure you have a switch panel for different functions i.e. running lights, masthead, interior, etc. fused properly. Buy a deep cycle battery, you'll be amazed at how long they hold a charge. If you don't already have one get an outboard with a trickle charger. I have a honda 7.5 which works great. Any more help please let me know. A boat is a hole in the water into which you pour vast amounts of money. Fair Winds, Old Salt....

 

[Ross]

you need a big, well insulated ice box. and the largest hospitality sink that you can fit in. Go to a plumbing supply company and look at their catalogs. A stainless steel sink is the same no matter where you get it. You should have a two burner cooking stove. My preferrence is propane. I cook. I used a 7 gallon garden sparyer for my pressure water tank and pump that full as needed from the boat's tank. you ought to have a sea water pump also for the galley sink.

 

[Ed Schenck]

Are you nearby a marina where you might find another CS-22 to study? I looked for interior pictures online without much success. I did find a few boats but none with detail. I also found a couple of CS-22 drawings of the layout but again with little detail. I think that I would want to have plans and pictures from a finished boat.

There is no electricity involved with the head. It is just a porta-potti.

 

[tommays]

I would have to guess there are some issues with the hull in terms of leaks from hardware and most anyplace a hole was drilled

I would think the first thing to do would be rebed(remove and reseal) all the hardware and be sure there is no hidden dammage that needs repiar or leaks that will dammage your upgrade work

 

[Ross]

I had a look at your profile and you sail the St Lawrence River so that narrows down where Morrisburg is located. Your skills as a carpenter will be modified a bit because almost nothing is straight. Depending on the electrical demands that you plan and your use schedule you may be able to keep the battery up with a solar panel. Oil Lanterns are nice for lights. Your cook stove should have safety valves that close if the flame is blown out. Tell us more as you get further involved and we will help.

 

[mattie411]

Thanks for the replies guys, I'll try and answer each post in one to save a lot of little post's. I am in deed going to have more specific questions once I get head deep into the project.

Since I just have the bare bones I wanted to get an idea of how it all works together and what I should get and what I should forget about. It's a 22 foot that probably wont see much more then day sailing plus the odd long weekend trip, maybe a week long.

Morrisburg is one hour south of Ottawa, Canada. I figure I will get a stainless sink (built into the countertop, two burner (if two will fit) flush mount cooktop, and a standard porta-potty (found one on kijiji). The electrical will mostly be the lights and maybe an inverter for a small plug in device like a radio. for the sink, do I get a water holding tank with a pump to run it?

I am Near a couple marinas and haven't checked them out yet but that is a great idea, The CS Yachts were actually built about 4 hours from where I am so pretty much all of them that sold are in the area somewhere. I think I have seen all the pictures you are talking about. Ive been look at some Catalina 22 interiors as well because they are pretty similar.

The Hull is really sound and all I've got to fix is the two windows, a vent port, a small fiberglass repair on the hatch, and a new rub rail. Ive got a mast and all the rigging from a different boat so I will have to put all new hardware on anyway. I will be doing the rebuild in my garage so it wont see any weather.

I like the oil lantern idea, I was looking as solar options the other day, and wind.

 

[Ross]

For hot water we heat a half gallon of water and store it in a pumper style coffee thermos. With water that hot dispensed into a bowl for dish washing and rinse in cold water it is more than enough for a day and often enough for two days. We freeze all of our potable water in jugs and put then in the ice box that way they keep the food cold and the water drinkable. Four inches of insulation will keep cold for a week if you fill with cold food and bottled ice.

 

[Steve Dion]

Try to find a local marine salvage store. They can provide a lot of the stuff that you will need. With all the stuff you are looking for, you can easily invest many times what this little boat is worth.

It should be fun.

 

[Lee Coller]

Re: the porta-potty. Make sure you check local regulations. I seem to recall hearing that porta-potties are illegal on boats in Canada. They seem to be afraid boaters will just dump them overboard.

 

[Peggie Hall HeadMistress]

Yes and no

Re: the porta-potty. Make sure you check local regulations. I seem to recall hearing that porta-potties are illegal on boats in Canada. They seem to be afraid boaters will just dump them overboard.

It's just the portable models that are illegal in Canada..."MSD" models that are permanently installed and fitted for pumpout are legal...considered "self contained" systems, not portapotties.

Btw you said earlier, " toilet seems pretty straight forward, just a portable toilet, I assume these hook up to the battery to pump out?"

Noooo.. marinas have pumps that "vacuum" out holding tanks through a fitting on deck. It's necessary for a portapotty to be the "MSD" version for that to work. Otherwise, you'll have to carry the tank ashore to empty it.

 

[Ctskip]

Myself, I'd be concentrating on both the running rigging and standing rigging, the sails, tiller, centerboard that operates perfectly and the really good anchor with rode. Get a good quality anchor and rode, you'll never regret it. Rebed the hardware (cleats) and port holes you have and check the chain plates really well. Get her sailing and enjoy her. How do you think they eat and cook on a Hobie Cat? Life jackets are a must, cushions are always nice. A good set of running and anchor lights are needed for any nighttime enjoyment. I'd go with the newest (LED?) and the least demanding as far as consumption of my eventual battery goes. Carry on coolers are fun. Then figure out the kind of outboard you'll need.Get one that charges the battery. You can find a small portable solar panel, the kind VW uses for their new cars during shipment to keep their batteries up. Real inexpensive on ebay and craigslist. $25 at best. All of this essential stuff will keep you occupied for awhile. Then think about what you need for your comfort. Keep us updated. By the way, nice boat.Good luck, have fun and by all means,

Keep it up,
Ctskip

 

[Scott B]

Welcome to the forum, lots of help here.

The original CS plant was in Brampton, not Whitby where the current plant is / was. I grew up 5 min. down the road in Brampton.

Holland Marine Products, Mississauga have a stock of CS parts for the 22's. Check with them for rigging etc. you may need.

Other good sourse of info are CS Owners Association not sure how active they are, but may be able to help.

Good luck and keep us posted.

 

[Winkfish]

I'm kinda with CT on this one. Unless you do the complete rebuild full-time in about a week or two, get her seaworthy and sailing first, do the other stuff later on as you go.

Or do you have another boat you can sail while you build out this one?

 

[Ross]

You can do a job quick or you can do it well. However refitting the boat from a bare hull is NOT a one week job.

 

[Winkfish]

You can do a job quick or you can do it well. However refitting the boat from a bare hull is NOT a one week job.

Wasn't trying to get him to do it "quickly" instead of "well." My point was getting the boat sailing.

 

[mattie411]

So these MSD toilets, do you have a link you can send me of one of these? All I can find is the portable type, or like $1200 ones...

I have checked out the Holland Marine for parts, They have a good supply of stuff and once I get further under way I'm sure I will be getting some stuff from them. The owners association is still active, not very but there are a few people on there.

I got my mast, sails, running and standing rigging today. Its from a different boat but I have the mast bracket to replace the one on my boat and then its just a matter of getting the rigging shortened or new stuff if I need it longer. I got a 26.2 foot furling mast, boom, all standing rigging, main sail, 2 jibs, spinnaker, running rigging, vhf radio, two life vest, two buoys, a 20x20 opening hatch, a boarding ladder, and a box of hardware off a guy in Mississauga for $1000. all of it is in good condition no frays, no rips.

I got the boat with plans of a 3-5 year project and having it completely finished and looking like new before taking her out. I'm not worried that It would have been cheaper to just buy a decent condition boat, or to just get her sailing and then fiddle away. Its more of a project for my son and I to do together. I have a 15 foot cat that I sail now, and a 16 meter kite, so I can still fill the need.

-Matt

 

[Winkfish]

That's great, Matt. The fact that you're doing it with your son is the best part.