Peggy, Finally time to replace the Jabsco compact head (and all hoses), only have room for a compact, is the Raritan Compact II any better ? I've nursed this one along for quite sometime by always keeping a bottle of lube handy. Sorry if this has been discussed, I did a search & didn't find anything.
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Compact II is a much better toilet than a Jabsco, but...
For about the same money, the PHC, which is the same pump as the PH II, but on the compact base to fit in the same space as a compact, is a MUCH better choice. It also now has a shorter handle than the PH II, which helps too. Or the full size PH II, if it'll fit. The PH II has been rated the best manual toilet < $500 on the planet for nearly 3 decades. Although the PHC version of it has been out for several years, Raritan has yet to put it on their website...but because the pump specs are the same for both versions (except the PHC can only use the smaller "standard" bowl), you can read all about here: http://www.raritaneng.com/products/toilets/manual/ph_2.html Defender http://www.defender.com/ or boatfix.com http://www.boatfix.com/elec/rarph2.asp have the best prices.
For about the same money, the PHC, which is the same pump as the PH II, but on the compact base to fit in the same space as a compact, is a MUCH better choice. It also now has a shorter handle than the PH II, which helps too. Or the full size PH II, if it'll fit. The PH II has been rated the best manual toilet < $500 on the planet for nearly 3 decades. Although the PHC version of it has been out for several years, Raritan has yet to put it on their website...but because the pump specs are the same for both versions (except the PHC can only use the smaller "standard" bowl), you can read all about here: http://www.raritaneng.com/products/toilets/manual/ph_2.html Defender http://www.defender.com/ or boatfix.com http://www.boatfix.com/elec/rarph2.asp have the best prices.
Installing a PHC
Hi Peggie, Is the mounting bolt pattern on the base of the PHC the same as the Jabsco....will the mounting screws fit the same screw holes in the platform? Thanks
Hi Peggie, Is the mounting bolt pattern on the base of the PHC the same as the Jabsco....will the mounting screws fit the same screw holes in the platform? Thanks
No...but that's no big deal
And I've never known why so many people are concerned about it. 'Cuz the mounting bolt patterns of many new toilets no longer match older versions of the same toilet. Chances are you can match one or two...fill the others, drill new ones. If the new toilet doesn't cover the unused ones, touch 'em up with a little paint or gelcoat. Even when mounting bolt patterns are a match, it's wise to fill the existing holes and tap new ones...'cuz if the new mounting bolts are even a micromilimeter smaller diameter, putting it in the original hole can result in a wobbly toilet.
And I've never known why so many people are concerned about it. 'Cuz the mounting bolt patterns of many new toilets no longer match older versions of the same toilet. Chances are you can match one or two...fill the others, drill new ones. If the new toilet doesn't cover the unused ones, touch 'em up with a little paint or gelcoat. Even when mounting bolt patterns are a match, it's wise to fill the existing holes and tap new ones...'cuz if the new mounting bolts are even a micromilimeter smaller diameter, putting it in the original hole can result in a wobbly toilet.
Thanks Peggy, Looks like the PHC will
fit just fine, wasn't aware of it, never been a fan of the T-handle pumps. If I HAFTA put in a new head I'd like it to be a better head, not just new.
fit just fine, wasn't aware of it, never been a fan of the T-handle pumps. If I HAFTA put in a new head I'd like it to be a better head, not just new.
Wonder why Raritan doesn't market this?
I was exchanging emails from someone at Raritan weeks ago and they promised to send me the specs of this PHC. Never got anything. I will have to check a local dealer. West marine did not have it. I did notice on the PH II that the water intake hose is on the front of the unit, not on the back like the Jabsco. I will have to figure out how to put in a longer hose....
I was exchanging emails from someone at Raritan weeks ago and they promised to send me the specs of this PHC. Never got anything. I will have to check a local dealer. West marine did not have it. I did notice on the PH II that the water intake hose is on the front of the unit, not on the back like the Jabsco. I will have to figure out how to put in a longer hose....
These two retailers have the PHC
Boatfix: http://www.boatfix.com/elec/rarph2.asp The PHC is the first one on the price list Defender: http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|51|806|315136|828741&id=844126 Their price beats Boatfix by a little bit. And they include the dimensions. As for why Raritan doesn't do a better job of marketing the PHC, they don't market any of their products very actively. I've been after 'em for over a year to at least put the d'd thing on their website along with the full size PH II. Shouldn't be too difficult to run a new longer intake hose...just remember to close the intake seacock before removing the existing one.
However, this would be an excellent time to reroute your intake line to tee into the head sink drain line, which would provide you with the ability to flush all the sea water out of the system each time before your boat will sit.
Boatfix: http://www.boatfix.com/elec/rarph2.asp The PHC is the first one on the price list Defender: http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|51|806|315136|828741&id=844126 Their price beats Boatfix by a little bit. And they include the dimensions. As for why Raritan doesn't do a better job of marketing the PHC, they don't market any of their products very actively. I've been after 'em for over a year to at least put the d'd thing on their website along with the full size PH II. Shouldn't be too difficult to run a new longer intake hose...just remember to close the intake seacock before removing the existing one.
However, this would be an excellent time to reroute your intake line to tee into the head sink drain line, which would provide you with the ability to flush all the sea water out of the system each time before your boat will sit.Thanks, Peggie, but...
I need to think about the tee. Why wouldn't all or most of the water come out when the boat it lifted out of the water and the seacock is open? Does your book (which I have) show how to do this?
I need to think about the tee. Why wouldn't all or most of the water come out when the boat it lifted out of the water and the seacock is open? Does your book (which I have) show how to do this?
If the boat is out of the water...
It's not gonna take on any water if you remove a hose with the seacock open. But IN the water is another matter! My book does include some advice on this, but how much instruction is needed to cut the sink drain line, insert a tee, and connect the intake hose and both cut ends of the drain line to it? Depending upon where your intake seacock is located, you MIGHT have to drill a hole in the vanity to get the head intake line to the tee. That hole can be "trimmed" using a rubber grommet. Though not intended for this purpose, the UniSeal http://www.aussieglobe.com/uniseal1.htm would be an inexpensive solution.
It's not gonna take on any water if you remove a hose with the seacock open. But IN the water is another matter! My book does include some advice on this, but how much instruction is needed to cut the sink drain line, insert a tee, and connect the intake hose and both cut ends of the drain line to it? Depending upon where your intake seacock is located, you MIGHT have to drill a hole in the vanity to get the head intake line to the tee. That hole can be "trimmed" using a rubber grommet. Though not intended for this purpose, the UniSeal http://www.aussieglobe.com/uniseal1.htm would be an inexpensive solution.
Peggie, I don't understand why I need to do this..
My question was more why this should be done. I thought when the boat comes out of the water with the seacock open, won't all the water just naturally drain out? Maybe there is some pressure holding some in. I am missing something...
My question was more why this should be done. I thought when the boat comes out of the water with the seacock open, won't all the water just naturally drain out? Maybe there is some pressure holding some in. I am missing something...
Chris
Its generally only a problem if you leave the boat in the water and don't flush often enough. The water sits in the intake line and stagnates and stinks. If you take the boat out of the water and the intake line drains...no problem.
Its generally only a problem if you leave the boat in the water and don't flush often enough. The water sits in the intake line and stagnates and stinks. If you take the boat out of the water and the intake line drains...no problem.
Thanks, Richard....that makes sense!
Makes complete sense. Since we live in Michgan, pretty hard to leave the boat in the water although some people do! just bubble it. Not me!
Makes complete sense. Since we live in Michgan, pretty hard to leave the boat in the water although some people do! just bubble it. Not me!
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