Collision Regulations in Howe Sound be Damned *yks

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Jan 4, 2006
7,632
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
Is it just me, or have others noticed the increasing disregard of the Collision Regulations with regard to sailboats ? I frequently sail in Howe Sound, British Columbia, and have lost count of the number of times I have taken evasive action (while under sail) to avoid a collision with a "give way" vessel. Just as an example, this last Sunday was a beautiful day for sailing and within a period of two hours, while under sail, the following occurred: - Avoided a large power vessel coming at my port bow. This would have definitely resulted in a collision without my taking evasive action. - Took evasive action to avoid a small, high speed power vessel coming at me on my starboard bow. - Avoided another power boat coming at me on my starboard bow. Invariably these are power boaters who appear to have no concept of the Collision Regs and are a menace in any waters. There is no way of identifying these boats as none showed identification numbers. Howe Sound is a huge area and there is never a problem with crowding even on the busiest of days. A few years back when our Federal government announced the phasing in of the Pleasure Craft Operator Card as proof of competency, I figured this was just more government bureaucracy. However, from what I have seen over the last few years, I now realize the need for this regulation is long, long overdue. From here on in, I no longer see myself as "stand on" when sailing in the vicinity of a power boat. I just turn tail and get as far away as possible. The risk of collision is just too great. Best Regards, s/v Island Hunter
 
Jun 2, 2004
1,438
Oday 25 pittsburgh
If you haven't wacked anyone , the co-regs are

working well! You have to read them all and at the end, you are still responsible for not wrecking your vessel. Unless you want to pay for more carp cops and licensing, you have done well. I say this with restraint, because I also see a lack respect for the law, Enjoy your time and do not expect others to obey the law. Think about it, when someone does as they choose, you pay a price! If YOU chose to let them ruin your day, that is your choice. My wife and I are as you are trying to deal with morons in a peaceful way. We now turn on our moron deflector shield when we head out. The deflector shield is actually her and I being more aware of people that are uneducated to the rules and also to those that don't care if there are rules. It is kind of like driving a car. Do you know what a Mercedes horn sounds like? Probably not but I know you know the sound a Neon or Fiesta horn makes. Enjoy life, avoid trouble by being aware of your surroundings. r.w.landau
 

abe

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Jan 2, 2007
736
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Few years ago in Lake Tahoe on a Capri16..

motoring max speed of 4 knotts, two power boats crossed my bow and I heard them say... "can you believe that guy didn't get out of our way". Lets see, I am under sail at 4 knotts and they are going over 30...and I am suppose to get out of their way? abe
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
It takes ...

.... zero brains to turn a key. Even the worst sailors are better than the idiots that drive some of the these power boats. After last weekends racing we were sailing home and a 40 something cruiser nearly cut us in half but changed course at the last second and passed astern of us. As he did he waved. Probably didn't have a clew!! I'm totally against more big brother, but if they license drivers its time they started licensing boaters which would require them to pass a minimal competency exam.
 
Jun 2, 2004
1,438
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Alan, with some disagreement....

Bad power boater just do it faster. Bad sailors just don't have the speed.... r.w.landau
 

abe

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Jan 2, 2007
736
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I wonder why insurance companies do not require...

that their customers have some boating training. Now, what a concept....insurance discount for those who have taken boating lessons. abe
 
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Phil

Proper Equipment

And you thought the only reason you were to have a flare gun was in case you broke down.
 
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Mike

It's Col-Regs

Hey R.W. it's "Col-Regs" not 'co-regs'. Stands for Collision Regulations, etc. Mike
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Take Pictures and use Binoculars

Ralph - that's why we leave the area (south BC and Puget Sound) and get up north (we're currently in Port McNeill, BC http://www.portmcneill.net/ - still working on the outboard). Not that it eliminates the problems you mention but there are fewer of them because most power boaters can't afford the fuel cost to get this far! Take Pictures: Just for the heck of it when I see something on a converging course I'll take a picture when there're still far off and as they close in. Usually they will wind up keeping their distance but you never know. Maybe the other operator seeing someone taking their picture might decide to leave a bit more room between us. Binoculars: We've got a pair of 7x50s and Fuginon 14x40. The Fuginons have image stabilization so one can fairly easily read boat names, numbers, etc. at a pretty fair distance. This info can be used to hail the other boat on channel 16 (high wattage so everybody else can hear) about their intentions as they approach close abeam - or what ever. Trying your best to keep it civil and professional as possible, of course. At least this way their friends can hear also. Mentioning their Yacht Club (if you can see their burgee might also help. On another note, the Canadian Weather Channel has been broadcasting a message prior to the weather information about mariners needing to watch their wake and wash around other boaters, marinas, and the like. Unfortunately, the same people that we're writing about are the same ones that think this is meant for the other guy. Boater Courses: Many insurance companies will give a deduction for taking the Power Squaderon boating course.
 
Dec 1, 1999
2,391
Hunter 28.5 Chesapeake Bay
You are right

in taking early action to avoid a possible collision. NOte last para below regarding stand-on or give-way vessels. "RULES OF THE ROAD CONCERNING LOOKOUT REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL VESSELS AND RISK OF COLLISION. The U.S. Coast Guard is reminding mariners of the importance of maintaining a proper lookout. Rule 5 of the INLAND AND INTERNATIONAL NAVIGATION RULES requires that all vessels maintain a proper lookout at all times by sight and hearing, as well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing circumstances and conditions, so as to make a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision. Action taken to avoid a collision shall be positive, made in ample time and with due regard to the observance of good seamanship. When a risk of collision exists, all vessels, regardless of whether they are the stand-on vessel or the give-way vessel, must take prompt action to avoid a collision. When in doubt about whether a risk of collision exists, mariners should assume there is risk of collision and act accordingly."
 
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Dan

Sailing School

I just finished sailing school and the instructor says "if the other vessel is bigger, faster, or uglier, it has the right of way."
 
Jul 20, 2005
2,422
Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
Ok

Your out sailing on a port tack and a cigarette boat is bearing down on you from the rear. You decide, because its faster, that you have to get out of the way. You fall off to starboard and smack, the powerboat ran right into you because he was expecting you to "stand on" because you were the "stand on" boat. You are at fault and have to pay for his boat too.
 
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Mike

Alan

Not only didn't the power boater that nearly cut you in half have a "clew", he didn't have a tack or luff either ;) Seriously, I experience much of the same problem on Pymatuning. I identify the rental pontoon boats easily by their blue, orange or green colors, and just try to avoid them. The way I look at it, I get a lot more experience of practicing my skills that way. Some of the funniest ones are the trolling fishermen that turn and cross your path, while you never change your heading, and then give you the "look" as you sail over their fishing line!
 
Jun 2, 2004
1,438
Oday 25 pittsburgh
Mike of PA. what makes you better than the

guys trolling? Why would you enjoy ruining someone elses day? Could you not cut them a break? Like I said before: it isn't just power boaters that are jerks. And not all power boaters are jerks. It is disreguard for rules and people in general that get me going. r.w.landau
 

rsn48

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Jun 7, 2005
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Sail boaters idiots too

I have a friend who sometimes Captains the Queen of Capilino (Bowen Island). You need to know that BC Ferry officers have more of a hate on for sail boaters than power boaters. I'm always hearing the story of the idiot sail boater who is trying to claim right of way because he has his sail up. Of course my friend's favourite rant is against sail boaters who have their sails up but are also under power and think the officers on the ferries will think they are a "sailing" vessel, which of course at that point, they aren't. Occasionally I will be with him on the bridge and initially I thought his rant against sail boaters was unwarranted until I was with him pulling out of Schooners' Cove (Bowen Island). This donkey of a sail boater was sailing back and forth in front of the ferry trolling for fish, not budging for the ferry; I was embarrassed for sail boaters every where. When my buddy rides with me on my boat, I'm out of Sewell's Marina in Horseshoe Bay, he hides his face with a cap so that the other officers on the ferries won't recognize him riding with a sail boater.
 
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r.w.

Where do you get the impression that I think I'm beter than the trollers? Didn't I say I try to avoid the pontoons? Didn't I say that it's the trollers who turn across my path and then give me a dirty look? Stay down at Lake Arthur and suck suds at the dock.
 
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