A few days ago I delivered my 260 on a 28 mile run. Sailing with me was a new Bavaria, a brand new Hunter 33 and a Catalina 28 MKll. The Bavaria left me well behind but the little 260 left the 33 and the 28 well behind. In fact the 28 never caught up. The 33 was about 3 mile behind at one stage however this was while I was on a beam reach. As soon as the wind changed and my course meant that I need to sail further up my speed dropped dramatically. Both sails were set as good as you can get but the 260 just would not keep up a good speed. So from being 3 mile ahead of the 33 it was only an hour or so and the 33 sailed past. I just could not get another knot out of her. So it appears the 260 has its favourite point of sail.. Beam reach she flys but point her nose close to the wind and the speed is dissapointing. Any thoughts from anyone.
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alan
What were the conditions, did you reef...
...what was your heel? My 26 seems to do best towards the wind with real wind speeds at around 10 knots going 45 degrees from it. I assume you had your controls adjusted properly. I would question why you were able to get so far ahead of a 33 to begin with except under very light conditions. alan
...what was your heel? My 26 seems to do best towards the wind with real wind speeds at around 10 knots going 45 degrees from it. I assume you had your controls adjusted properly. I would question why you were able to get so far ahead of a 33 to begin with except under very light conditions. alan
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Mark
Quality of sailor (Ha Ha)
The wind on the beam reach was at about 6-10 knots. When the wind changed and came at about close reach it came at about 8-12 with occasional gusts to 15 Kn. With limited adjustment available on a stock 260 there was not much more I could do with her but am open to any suggestions on how to set up.
The wind on the beam reach was at about 6-10 knots. When the wind changed and came at about close reach it came at about 8-12 with occasional gusts to 15 Kn. With limited adjustment available on a stock 260 there was not much more I could do with her but am open to any suggestions on how to set up.
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Mark
Oh and by the way
In fairness to the 33 the owner had just taken delivery. However without checking the facts I think the 33 would have almost double the sail area of a 260???
In fairness to the 33 the owner had just taken delivery. However without checking the facts I think the 33 would have almost double the sail area of a 260???
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alan
Those winds on a beam reach...
...will get a 260 close to hull speed as it is so much lighter than a 33. I can almost see why you pulled away. The 8-12 knots to the wind is where mine maxes out. Anything more and I have to reduce sail. I may be wrong, but our hull/deck windage is probably relatively higher than that of the 33 which obviously hurts close hauled sailing. Did you have the keel up when on the beam reach? Of course I made the asumption that your controls,lines and rigging were set up optimally, so the only thing left is to sail off the wind a bit more. alan
...will get a 260 close to hull speed as it is so much lighter than a 33. I can almost see why you pulled away. The 8-12 knots to the wind is where mine maxes out. Anything more and I have to reduce sail. I may be wrong, but our hull/deck windage is probably relatively higher than that of the 33 which obviously hurts close hauled sailing. Did you have the keel up when on the beam reach? Of course I made the asumption that your controls,lines and rigging were set up optimally, so the only thing left is to sail off the wind a bit more. alan
The 33 adjusted
No matter how well you sail, the only way to open a lead on a 33 is that its skipper has it set up wrong. Maybe he had it sheeted too tight. (In other words set up for a close reach or beat.) In any case, once the wind pulled forward, he got it somewhere near right, and his natural advantage showed. Alan and other 260 owners could probably help more if you gave them some specific details of how close you were sailing to the wind, and how your sails were set. In general, you want the jib set so that the leeward telltales are always streaming, and the windward telltales dip/fly 20% to 30% of the time. Telltales at the back adge of the main should all be streaming straight back. When the top one starts dipping behind the leach, it's time to ease the mainsheet. David Lady Lillie
No matter how well you sail, the only way to open a lead on a 33 is that its skipper has it set up wrong. Maybe he had it sheeted too tight. (In other words set up for a close reach or beat.) In any case, once the wind pulled forward, he got it somewhere near right, and his natural advantage showed. Alan and other 260 owners could probably help more if you gave them some specific details of how close you were sailing to the wind, and how your sails were set. In general, you want the jib set so that the leeward telltales are always streaming, and the windward telltales dip/fly 20% to 30% of the time. Telltales at the back adge of the main should all be streaming straight back. When the top one starts dipping behind the leach, it's time to ease the mainsheet. David Lady Lillie
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Mark
Had the tell tails streaming
I figured I had the sails set as good as you can get. The tell tails were streaming out. Am thinking that my forestay might need to have more tension but am concerned that by putting more tension on the forestay I will alter the amount of rake and so effect rudder/steering.
I figured I had the sails set as good as you can get. The tell tails were streaming out. Am thinking that my forestay might need to have more tension but am concerned that by putting more tension on the forestay I will alter the amount of rake and so effect rudder/steering.
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