chronic clog

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Tim Schaaf

Hi Peggy,

You may remember me from our frequent discussions on the Hunter site around ten years ago. At the time, I lived in Cabo San Lucas, and I answered lots of posts regarding the Hunters, the older Cherubini's in particular, as I had owned one of those for about twenty years. I currently own and operate a charter catamaran in the BVI, and it has twin, plastic, holding tanks. It is a very simple system, duplicated in each of the twin hulls. Two electric Lavac toilets discharge into each holding tank. The holding tank discharges by gravity through an S shaped hose, about four feet long, out of the bottom of the hulls. The hoses are all 1 1/2 inch ID, and relatively new. The holding tank has two hoses going in from the two heads in each hull. There is a vent hose. There is the discharge hose at the bottom, and at the top there is another hose to a deck fill directly above the tank that allows introduction of water to clean the tank. There is no pump out hose, although the cleaning hose could be easily modified to go to the bottom of the tank. There is also an inspection port, but it is close to the deckhead, thus limited in utility. Finally, there is a "full tank" device that goes through its own cutout. Lots of holes, each with gaskets or hose clamps. Significantly, the cleaning hose is positioned in the top, directly over the disharge outlet, several feet below.

We have acquired a persistent and chronic clog. On two occasions, we have cleared it by blowing a very short burst of compressed air in from under the hull. On another occasion, I inserted a PVC pipe in the top of the cleaning port (not the inspection port, which is moderately useless) and worked it directly down into the discharge hose. I got it about a foot or so down the hose and gave a blast of high pressure water from the dockside. This dislodged whatever was in and forced it out. On another occasion, I worked the same pipe in and up from beneath the hull to the point where waste flowed out the pipe, rather like a stent in a clogged artery! On our most recent occasion, the pipe ran into something solid, but after a little poking, the solid thing, whitish, plopped out and went to the bottom, followed by......! I have also put a solution of muriactic acid in the tank and left it in overnight, this after clearing the clog, but with the hope of preventing another.

We are currently clogged, with the tank full. To discharge it, I plan on either putting the pipe up the discharge, or pumping out or the top, either by putting the pipe in at the top or maybe a hose through the inspection port. But, then what? I have disconnected the discharge hose at its top (bottom of the tank) a few weeks ago, and "rodded" it out, but didn't find much. My hypothesis is that there is, nonetheless, still some sort of barnacle or whatever, that can restrict the flow and trap toilet paper (we use only the dissolving kind), waste, or whatever, to the point that it is blocked. OR, perhaps, a tampon left by charter guests has expanded and is still somewhere in the system, notwithstanding the clearings in both directions....a bit hard to believe, but maybe there were several different bits.

The local hardware store sells a type of Hydrochloric Acid for land toilets....it says it will dissolve all sorts of deposits, including tampons. Would this be safe in a plastic tank with sanitation hose and a bronze sea-cock? Any other thoughts?

Cheers,
Tim
 
Jan 22, 2008
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Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
Last year one morning I found floating in the toilet bowl a medicinal pad- probably like an eye makeup remover. I got it out and trashed it, then addressed the three-female crew I had. Later, one of them came to me and said if there was only one, there were 4 or 5 that had flushed thru. All this during the overnight. When I tried to pump out a day later, it would not pump. Blocked. I reverse-flushed down thru the deck fitting, and I believe it separated the pads enough that they then pumped out one at a time... Sounds like you need to excavate the tank from inside then flush and rinse again.
 
Dec 2, 1997
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It HAS been a while, Tim! And yes, I do remember you.

Welcome back!

I think the S shape discharge hose(s) may be the source of your problem. TP, sludge and anything that should NOT have been flushed are "piling up" at a bend. That may be compounded by a buildup of sea water minerals that's catching and holding TP, wet wipes etc. So I suggest straightening out the hose.

But I also have some thoughts that need more information before I'm sure:

If I read your descriptions correctly, there are two separate systems on the boat...one in each hull. Are both systems clogging? Or just one? If just one...is one hull sleeping quarters, and the other "day" space? In which case, which side is clogging?

Muriatic acid is just the old fashioned name for hydrochloric acid...so if you're using muriatic acid, no need to buy it under a different name. Although, if the stuff sold for land toilets is a stronger solution, it can't hurt to try it. Whichever you use, leave it in overnight...it won't hurt anything.

And if you're not already doing it, the system should be thoroughly flushed out with clean water weekly.
 
Dec 2, 1999
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Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Hello Tim:

We have had similar "close calls" with our toilet. Thanks to Peggie's advice we ended up installing a Raritan SeaEra (macerating toilet). The macerator will NOT grind up the fabric type things (baby wipes, makeup removal clothes etc) that get thrown down the household toilet. The do a wonderful job on waste & paper but the rest of it just stays in the bowl for easy removal.

Grinding everything before it leaves the toilet help prevent against down stream clogs.

Welcome back! We hope to hear more from you.
 
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Tim Schaaf

More on the clog

Hi All,

Peggy, you are correct that there are two independent systems, one per hull. Each hull has two cabins and two heads. In the starboard hull are the cabin in which we live, and a guest cabin, each with its own head. In the port hull are two guest cabins and their heads. The problems have always been in the port hull. Our hull, of course, has one head that is in constant use, and the other guest head, which is intermittently used. The port side heads are both for guest cabins and used intermittently, rarely when we are not on charter. I have always considered this significant, but haven't quite made up my mind why I think so.....maybe because there is salt water standing in the hose, sometimes for days at a time. I have always thought it made more of a difference to the toilets (as a result, we flush them every few days, often with fresh water and vinegar) than to the tank.

In one of my previous solutions, I did take the offending hose and pretty well straightened it and put a stick down. I really thought it must be clear, but this seems not to be the case.

Since step one of the present go round seems to be to drain the tank, tomorrow's battle will start with various tools from outside the hull...backflusher, stick, snake, etc. When I get it clear, I will probably disconnect the hose from the bottom of the tank (above the water line and only four feet long) and pump that out, and then disconnect the hose from the thru-hull and replace it. I guess I should put a mirror in the tank to have a look around as well. Yikes.

The instructions on the acid discourage adding it to a full or partially full tank. Not sure why.

Cheers,
Tim
 
Dec 2, 1997
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Gotta be...

Something a charter guest flushed that they shouldn't have. You're gonna have to find it and remove it. :evil:

And then I'd post a list in LARGE BOLD PRINT of everything you can think of that shouldn't be flushed. And the price that will be charged to your customer's credit card if you have to clear another clog.

But that's just what I'd do...and as Ron will tell you, I'm a crusty gutsy old woman who no longer sees any value in taking prisoners when it's easier to annihilate 'em!. :dance: So you may favor a different approach. :D
 
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