The ongoing discussions, on all the boards, always seem to leave out one major ingredient - affordability. Is it because most "yachties" are loaded? I actually like Daryl's list of sailboat manufacturer's in a previous thread. I would add Pat's Cheoy Lee to that list(Sabre, Valiant, Tartan, and P/S). My marina is a Tartan dealer and they are built just up the lake so I am partial. I would consider these "second tier" boats compared to coastal cruisers. Some of these are quite slow compared to my H37C so that would be an issue(not the Sabre and Tartan). But back to affordability. Even used and old those boats are twenty to forty thousand more than a similarly equipped Cherubini. People who buy them obviously feel they are worth the extra money. But I could not afford it even if I believed it. And if I had the money, was going to stay on the Great Lakes, and worked until 65, I would look seriously at the Hanse. Lot of traditional boat with German quality for the money. My marina is also a Hanse dealer. Come see in January at the Cleveland boat show: http://www.sailboatsflorida.com/hanse371.htm Fact is I had so much fun with my first sailboat on that Connecticut lake, an old Force 5. Cost about $500. Gotta' get another. . . .