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May 17, 2004
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Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Mates: Want to see what a nicely set of sails looks like? Go to "ask all salors" and then drop down to "post a picture" and drop down to the 2nd post and look at the post by Alan titled "Blue Bayou etc". Say you were going head to head with Alan in a match race (both boats are identical) with the finish line 100 yards away and your second with your bow just ahead of his mast what might you do as a last resort to possably eack out a tie or a win by squeezing out an ounce more speed? Ramming him is not the answer!! Stealing his wind is not the answer either because its too late for that. In many races I've been in I can normally tell how easy or long and bad a day it is going to be by checking the sail set of those in front of us. If the sails are poorly set I know it is just a matter of time before we will overtake them. On the other hand, if the sails look like Alan's I would think to myself that it s going to be a bad and long day. You don't have to be a racer to have this kind of fun. If your a cruiser, for practice, try overtaking boats in front of you just for the fun of it. It will make you feel good as you fly by them. They will never know what your grinning about!!
 
May 5, 2004
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Hunter 386 Little River, SC
Looking at his sails....

.... I see horizontal wrinkles in the main, which may mean the outhaul is too tight. He still has some speed to eek out of that boat. The wind appears to be light, so I may get my crew on the rail to get a better hull profile in the water, or, if the wind is really light, I might move them to the Lee rail to help with sail shape. If I really want to beat him, and we are that close at the end of the race, I could tack toward him if I was the leeward boat, or, if Windward, try to pick up some speed by falling off for a bit, then head up again. Jeff
 

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
Thanks Don

Jeff, I'm hard pressed to find any wrinkles in either sail. I checked the original photo which has much better detail but I fail to see any. The only improvement I can see to do is get my crew boss off the leeward rail were he is adjusting the leach line tension in the genoa. At this point we are sailing by the numbers and right at target speed. Don, I'm trying to picture the scenario that you pose but I'm having a hard time with "seeing it". Can you try restating it with more detail?
 
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Big Joe

Here is the pic.

To make things easier, here is the picture in question. Regards, Big Joe.
 
Oct 25, 2005
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Catalina 30 Banderas Bay, Mexico
With 100 yards to go ...

If Alan is on his numbers and fetching the favoured end of the line, I'm probably going to be buying him a beer and waiting for a rematch. :) I have about 30 seconds to gain the lead. 6 knots is 3-3/8 yards / second, so 100 yards takes 29.62 seconds. To gain 4 yards with 100 yards to go means that I have to average 6.24 knots to his 6 knots to beat him. Match racing in identical boats, if I could pull an extra .24 knots from somewhere, I'd be ahead. Finding some trim change to get from 6.0 to 6.24 in 30 seconds and 100 yards is not going to happen. Even if he was close hauled and just able to fetch one end of the line and I was fetching the other end, it would be tough to fall off and gain enough speed to sail extra distance and beat him with only 100 yards to go. If we are both close hauled, and my bow is forward of his mast and I'm to weather, we are close to dead even. If he's left me enough room to fetch the line, at one boat length to go (about 3.5 seconds to the line) I can head up to cross the line at 90 deg and hope that it's enough to nose over the line before he does. I suspect that Alan would have seen this coming and made sure that he is on the layline for the favoured end of the line. If he's ahead with 100 yards to go, I doubt that he's missed the last tack. :)
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Scenario

Alan: I was just fooling around with the scenario. I wanted the other boat to be away from you so there was no effect from either boat. I wanted both boats to be running identical. This very similiar situation happened at the C30 Nationals in Santa Cruz in 40 to 45 knots of wind. Neither of the 2 boats (us and another guy) could shake the other guy and we were both fighting for 1st. Neither of us were reefed either. We tried coming up next of him to "rub paint Like we were at Darlington!! We could have walked across to his boat we were that close but that did not work either. He did not flinch and it was the wrong move anyway and just wasted time. At the time our bow was at his mast. The skipper looked at me and said do something!! I just sat there as I thought yeah and if the move I make is wrong we could end up 3rd overall because the guy behind us is right on us and it would take a long time to live that any mistakes down. His next words were more emphatic - damn it Don do something!! The only think I cold think of was to level the boat out a bit from about 25 degrees of heel to 15 degrees to get more hull in the water, which we did and we crossed the line with our bow half way between his mast and bow. It was that close but we were to late with the adjustment. Moving your ship mate off the rail was what I was thinking about. It appears your tracks are on the rail. Since he was sitting there he could have grabbed the jib sheet and pulled it in (barberhauler) and if I was the other boat that is also what I would have done. I thought about it later at Santa Cruz on the dock but should have thought about it on the water.
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
It's fun...

...to try and second guess what should have been done at the time. But that's the kind of thing that makes you a better sailor. After the results are tallied and you finish anywhere but first, I always think back and rerun the race in my mind to see where we could have picked up that 30 seconds which would have given us the silver. A single poorly executed tack can be the difference in a close race. I have to wonder what your skipper was expecting of you. Sounds like he was feeling desperate and didn't have a clew what to do next so he dumped it in your lap. David was adjusting the leach line of the genoa which can only be done right on the sail. In this particular race we where so far ahead it wouldn't have mattered even if we had to do another tack. It may be a bit hard to see but my #1 genoa tracks are right up against the coach roof under the black windows. We do carry a changing sheet that I have used as a barber-hauler but it is not effective on my light/medium #1. My #3 tracks are on the coach roof and inboard of the shrouds
 
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