Charger overcharging

Blitz

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Jul 10, 2007
677
Seidelmann 34 Atlantic Highlands, NJ
Your thoughts??

Last spring I installed a new charger (Victron centaur 12volt 30 amp), new 260 amp hour main battery bank connected to another new 80 amp hour bank via a blue seas ACR. I also replaced all of my primary wiring for a clean installation. I set the charger for (LA) flooded batteries and all spring and summer this system worked perfectly for my needs. Thanks again for Mainesails help and his earlier thread on charger installations:

http://forums.catalina.sailboatowne...p=880275&highlight=installing battery charger

The charger was set for flooded batteries and the charger continued to charge in the bulk/absorption phase correctly at a rock steady 14.5 volts as per the charger manual and reduce to 13.5 volts in the float mode.

The boat was hauled in mid October and the charger (if I remember correctly) worked just as before in the spring and summer off the AC outlets located throughout the yard. Hurricane/Superstorm Sandy hit and the marina late October and the AC outlets were no more. "Blitz" somehow survived the storm but out came my new Yamaha EF2000iS suitcase style generator for my charging needs. This is where things got weird but not sure if just a coincidence or not.

The charger now was observed at charging up to 14.85 volts in the bulk phase. I was of course concerned with my batteries being damaged. Some things I checked:

1) I checked each of the cells of te batteries to insure cells were ok.
2) I checked the wiring connections and sizing numerous times.
3) I contacted Victron but they are stumped and have basically said it is normal and I should change the setting to a different battery type to get a lower charge voltages :confused:.

I tried different settings for the dip switches to check the charger and they all were greater than specified in the manual. As noted the flooded charge voltages was 14.85 instead of 14.5 volts, the gel setting was noted as 14.5 volts instead of 14.2, and the AGM setting was at 14.67 volts instead of 14.35.

I not writing this to knock Victron in any way, as a matter of fact their service tech worked with me for the past three weeks trying some things, measuring voltages, and giving advice. It looks like now I'm at a point however to send it back for some bench testing at a facility local to me as specified by Victron. I'm hoping they will find a problem even though the voltages I noted to them over the past few weeks seemed fine to Victron even though they were outside their manual specified levels.

The Victron centaur charger are not temperature compensated in te tradition sense unless it somehow detects it through the charging wires since there isn't a seperate lead but noted as a internal temperature sensor. Temperature since the storm has been in the 50s down to the 20s but charge voltages seemed to stay steadily high and consistent.

http://www.victronenergy.com/upload/documents/Datasheet - Centaur Charger - rev 03 - EN.pdf

Has anyone seen similar problems? Has anyone seen a problem with the use of suitcase style inverter generators like this?

Thanks
 
Jun 25, 2012
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hunter 356 Kemah,the Republic of Texas
Portable Gas generator produces 120 volts by use of inverter .... Hmmm? Inverter must not be a Purr sine-wave inverter... This maybe what is causing your battery charger to not function the same as when on clean shore power.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,672
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
The Victron centaur charger are not temperature compensated in te tradition sense unless it somehow detects it through the charging wires since there isn't a seperate lead but noted as a internal temperature sensor. Temperature since the storm has been in the 50s down to the 20s but charge voltages seemed to stay steadily high and consistent.

http://www.victronenergy.com/upload/documents/Datasheet - Centaur Charger - rev 03 - EN.pdf

Has anyone seen similar problems? Has anyone seen a problem with the use of suitcase style inverter generators like this?

Thanks
That charger is "ambient" compensated. When temps drop the charging voltage is compensated up. At 80F it will put out its set voltage. At 100F less than set voltage and at 50F more than its set voltage. This is what temp compensation does... I believe that charger does 6mV per degree F. Any easy test is to put a heat lamp on the charger and see if the voltage goes down.

I know my batteries on teh shop charger yesterday were at 14.9V based on barn temp. This is perfectly normal. The Victron's are a good charger, more robustly built than most, I just wish the Centaur monitored actual battery temp not charger / ambient temp.

The "problem" is most likely not your generator, or a problem at all, it is most likely very normal operation of a temp compensated charger. I see this all the time in the winter...
 

Blitz

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Jul 10, 2007
677
Seidelmann 34 Atlantic Highlands, NJ
Interesting! I guess this won't boil my batteries needlessly? I just thought it was 45 or 50 degrees when I first started noticing it the high readings and they haven't really went up set it went down to the twenty's. I could be wrong.

That being said, Victron had agreed to allow me to send it to a local place to get it checked out. I guess I should try this just to be sure. I already have it off the boat.