I have a Hunter 320 and where I sail, it's not uncommon to have all chain rode. The winds are pretty strong, anchoring is in 20' to 40' and the bottom is hard packed mud and kelp. I currently have 50' of 5/16th chain and 250' of one inch nylon rode and am thinking of going to 250' of chain rode. This will mean another couple of hundred lbs. at the bow and I wonder how that will effect how the boat sails. Any advice??
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Wow, John
That's a lot of weight on the bow. Do you really need it? How about another 50'? It really sounds like you already have a good set up. Maybe going to a Delta or Spade to cut through the kelp and grab in the mud instead? Hate to mess up the weight and induce hobby-horsing. Good luck regardless. Rick D.
That's a lot of weight on the bow. Do you really need it? How about another 50'? It really sounds like you already have a good set up. Maybe going to a Delta or Spade to cut through the kelp and grab in the mud instead? Hate to mess up the weight and induce hobby-horsing. Good luck regardless. Rick D.
I'da gree with Rick.
John: I would have to a gree with Rick. You may find that riding on a chain rode may be a lot different than on a nylon rode too. You definetly want to have an anchor for this type of bottom. The Delta is a very good choice.
John: I would have to a gree with Rick. You may find that riding on a chain rode may be a lot different than on a nylon rode too. You definetly want to have an anchor for this type of bottom. The Delta is a very good choice.
100 ft?
It's easy to see your problem... 20-40 feet is some deep water for an anchorage. If it were me, I'd think about a spliced rope/chain rode with about 100 ft of chain and the rest rope. Anchoring in 20', you would send over all the chain plus about 10' of rope, obviating the need for a snubber, and yielding about 5:1 scope. You'll be swinging the same as the all-chain boats. In 30', you'd put out all of the chain plus 70 feet of rope. That's only 20 more feet of radius than you would have with all chain at 5:1 in the same depth. You'd need a windlass with a gypsy, obviously.
It's easy to see your problem... 20-40 feet is some deep water for an anchorage. If it were me, I'd think about a spliced rope/chain rode with about 100 ft of chain and the rest rope. Anchoring in 20', you would send over all the chain plus about 10' of rope, obviating the need for a snubber, and yielding about 5:1 scope. You'll be swinging the same as the all-chain boats. In 30', you'd put out all of the chain plus 70 feet of rope. That's only 20 more feet of radius than you would have with all chain at 5:1 in the same depth. You'd need a windlass with a gypsy, obviously.
all chain rode
I'd agree with Rick and Steve! all that chain will add a lot of weight right where you don't want it, and almost certainly will cause hobby horsing-and be a lot of work! I'm using a delta with 30' chain and then nylon in a very similar bottom and it cuts thru really well and sets quickly-I think the delta or spade will make a bigger improvement than the extra chain
I'd agree with Rick and Steve! all that chain will add a lot of weight right where you don't want it, and almost certainly will cause hobby horsing-and be a lot of work! I'm using a delta with 30' chain and then nylon in a very similar bottom and it cuts thru really well and sets quickly-I think the delta or spade will make a bigger improvement than the extra chain
Have You Considered ....................
............ using a sentinel, sometimes called a kellet ? Although usually weighing in only around 20 lbs. it puts the weight where it will do the most good ........... down low to ensure the shank of the anchor doesn't lift. Hope this helps. Regards, s/v Island Hunter
............ using a sentinel, sometimes called a kellet ? Although usually weighing in only around 20 lbs. it puts the weight where it will do the most good ........... down low to ensure the shank of the anchor doesn't lift. Hope this helps. Regards, s/v Island Hunter
hobby-horse?
Could someone explain to me what's hobby-horsing in relation to all chain rode for anchor? Ken
Could someone explain to me what's hobby-horsing in relation to all chain rode for anchor? Ken
definition
Hobby horsing is a fore-and-aft pitching motion that sometimes results from too much weight in the bow and stern. It's something that people said would happen when I switched to a 250' all-chain rode in my 410. I haven't noticed any change, but a 40 footer will take the weight a lot better than a 30 footer. You might have to settle for something more along the lines of 150 feet.
Hobby horsing is a fore-and-aft pitching motion that sometimes results from too much weight in the bow and stern. It's something that people said would happen when I switched to a 250' all-chain rode in my 410. I haven't noticed any change, but a 40 footer will take the weight a lot better than a 30 footer. You might have to settle for something more along the lines of 150 feet.
Remeber, guys...it's the Channel Islands
At night, the wind can blow the skin off your face! For those of you not familiar with the area, cows have blown off Santa Barbara Island! While I am not able to answer the specific questions as to the anchor setup for your boat, for the 4 trips I have made there I was always glad my buddy had 300 feet of chain on his Nantucket 38. Also make sure your stern anchor rode is tied to a Volkswagen in Ventura Harbor.
At night, the wind can blow the skin off your face! For those of you not familiar with the area, cows have blown off Santa Barbara Island! While I am not able to answer the specific questions as to the anchor setup for your boat, for the 4 trips I have made there I was always glad my buddy had 300 feet of chain on his Nantucket 38. Also make sure your stern anchor rode is tied to a Volkswagen in Ventura Harbor.
Anchor setup
We also sail out of Channel Islands Harbor with our Hunter 380. After draging anchor with the factory supplied stuff(40 to 50 knot sundowner winds) we changed over to 250' of 5/8 nylon 3 strand and 70' of 5/16 g4 with a #44 bruce. Most times we anchor in 20 to 30 feet and we let out the chain plus 70 feet or so of rope. Also when the wind does pickup and you need more scoop you can just let it out without havinig to bring up10' to 20' of snubber and unhook it before letting more out and rehooking Andrew Hansom Vanishing Point
We also sail out of Channel Islands Harbor with our Hunter 380. After draging anchor with the factory supplied stuff(40 to 50 knot sundowner winds) we changed over to 250' of 5/8 nylon 3 strand and 70' of 5/16 g4 with a #44 bruce. Most times we anchor in 20 to 30 feet and we let out the chain plus 70 feet or so of rope. Also when the wind does pickup and you need more scoop you can just let it out without havinig to bring up10' to 20' of snubber and unhook it before letting more out and rehooking Andrew Hansom Vanishing Point
cows
A frightening image, waking up in the middle of the night off Santa Barbara Island and discovering that there are cows in your rigging.
A frightening image, waking up in the middle of the night off Santa Barbara Island and discovering that there are cows in your rigging.
Santa Barbara Island/cows
The first time I went there with my 2 buddies we used the CG mooring can by the ranger station to tie up for the night. I was the guy who tied the can to the boat. It was SOOOO windy that all I could think about was that the line would not hold and the disaster would be my fault. Since I wsa sleeping in the v-berth I spent most of the night just staring at the cleat while the winds howled around. Fortunately, no cows blew by, as they blew off years ago (the people left shortly thereafter). Best I could come up with was a couple of really fast flying fish on deck.
The first time I went there with my 2 buddies we used the CG mooring can by the ranger station to tie up for the night. I was the guy who tied the can to the boat. It was SOOOO windy that all I could think about was that the line would not hold and the disaster would be my fault. Since I wsa sleeping in the v-berth I spent most of the night just staring at the cleat while the winds howled around. Fortunately, no cows blew by, as they blew off years ago (the people left shortly thereafter). Best I could come up with was a couple of really fast flying fish on deck.
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