Chain to rope splice

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Mar 21, 2004
2,175
Hunter 356 Cobb Island, MD
Mark and guys who were following this link. One of the suggestions was to interleave the three strand nylon into the chain as per this web site. http://www.bluemoment.com/warpchainsplice.html News is this will NOT work with a windlas. I tried it this weekend as I was putting on new chain and line. After about the 6th pass thru the windlass the splice started coming apart. The stretch and pull of the line caused the chaing to bind in the windlass and the line was getting chewed up. Well back to the other splice. Jim S/V Java
 
Jun 4, 2004
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Sailboat - 48N x 89W
Thanks Jim

Thanks for the informative update, Jim. Theory walks, when experience talks - and yours supports my intuitive suspicions. Gord
 
Jun 6, 2004
104
Pearson P422 Warwick, RI
Rope to chain

Look ay the New England Ropes site http://www.neropes.com/splice/ for the splice that works with a windlass.
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
Rope to chain? Loose the rope. (with a windlass)

For many years we would anchor with two hooks off the bow and even a third anchor set off the stern. We got used to the hassles and became proud of showing off our teamwork in anchorages. We always used double braid nylon line because it flakes/piles well in our small anchor locker and stern bucket. Now? Let me tell you,,,,never again. We just learned the magic of chain. When we refit our H34 with a windlass, I made sure it would work with a rope splice. I also bought the rope drum option for the port roller. After the rope arrived, I tried to splice the 200' of 1/2" double braid to the 100' of 1/4" HT chain. No way! I tracked down two riggers to do the work. They refused. Two hard of a splice, they said. I went to my local West Marine store. They did a price match to my first 100' of chain and had a 'proof link' to join the chain into a 200' continuous length that passes perfectly through the windlass. This chain can NOT be welded, my welder friends told me. The weak link is the proof coupling but it's still plenty strong. On our vacation to Desolation Sound that we just returned from, here is what we learned. On our boat, we had to remove additional material on the sides of the 'cut-out' anchor locker so that the chain will fall to the area below the original locker. Now it can be recovered from the helm via the control switch I installed at the NavPod for that purpose. I couldn't use it until the chain fell freely without me pushing the pile over manually. That's what sea-trials are for. Works great now. All two hundred feet retrieve without manual intervention. Here is the good part. NO ROPE! This is another world. Not once did we need to use a second anchor. The extra weight penalty is only about 50lbs over the original 200' of rope. It might even be less. Also the Bruce now works wonderfully. Only once did it not set the first time. That was because we were backing down too fast. When the Bruce was on rope, we used it as our second anchor because it set so poorly. These anchors need to be sold with a disclaimer that reads 'for all chain rodes only'. And the boat sits over the pile of chain below the bow and never searches for another boat to bump into. The chain, when recovered aboard with the Bruce, has no effect on trim. The boat sits evenly on her lines. And if I decide to race again someday, I can dump the whole thing at my slip and still be legal with the second anchor (Fortress) on rope. The 200' of chain is 180 lbs, my windlass is 15 lbs and the Bruce is 22 lbs. That's 217 lbs and the chain is good to 40' boats, probably bigger if used on a sail boat. Did I mention that anchoring and recovering is now just pushing a button?
 
Jun 21, 2004
129
- - Westbrook, CT
Use a spliced rode all the time.

I have 100' of chain, and 200' of rope spliced to it. The splice, which I ordered from a rigger, is on its second year and works great. 100 feet of 5/16 BBB weighs about 170 pounds.
 
Jun 6, 2004
104
Pearson P422 Warwick, RI
Agree with Fred

I just spent several days installing a windlass (Lofrans Progress I) with the idea of using rope and chain. However I had to make a slight bend in the hawse pipe and that produced enough friction to cause the rope to curl inside the pipe and jam. My conclusion is that rope will only work with a windlass if there is a direct fall (no pipe) under the windlass. I did verify that the splice described in my post above does pass nicely through the windlass. Anyway, like Fred, I went to all chain and am very happy with the result so far. (Actually I have 100ft of rope spliced to the chain, but I know I will never use it.)
 
Mar 19, 2004
15
Hunter 41 DS Port Clinton, Ohio
all chain rodes

fred and others: We are considering changing over to an all chain rode and your experiences have certainly tipped the scale. I was wondering if you used a nylon snubber or some other shock absorber in your system.
 
Jun 6, 2004
104
Pearson P422 Warwick, RI
Snubber

This is just my second weekend with all chain, so I don't have a lot of experience. I made up a quickie snubber of 20 feet of 1/2" nylon with a rope/chain splice to a 5/16" chain hook from WM. (I think a thimble and shackle might be more chafe resistant.) Since I have two bow rollers, I led the snubber over the spare roller to a bow cleat. I'm also going to make a heavier snubber from 5/8" line with a spliced bridle that attaches to both bow cleats and exits through the chocks. See the related link for details.
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
Tim, we are using some of Dereks ideas too.

We use a hook on a nylon length of rope. I've tried leading the line to one of the cleats and then letting out the chain like most boaters I've seen. I also led it like Derek over the port roller. Works great and looks cleaner. Just one caveat. (did I spell that right?) The entire month we were gunk-holing, there was little to NO wind. So as far as holding goes, no comment. But man, it was so easy and dependable and easy and quick and easy,,,,
 
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Rick I

all chain all the time

I went with 50 ft chain and hundreds of feet of line for years because I didn't have a windlass. On the new boat I have 200 ft. of 3/8 chain and a couple of hundred ft. of three strand. I also have an electric windlass I have yet to get to the line. Normally I use about 100 ft of chain and a 30 ft snubber. Nothing beats the weight of chain. I try not to anchor in deeper than 20 ft. By the way I use the standard back splice for the chain to rope splice. (Hasn't been in the water yet).
 
Mar 21, 2004
2,175
Hunter 356 Cobb Island, MD
Thinking all chain but....

Here in the Cheaspeake and Potomac it's all MUD, Thick GOO. I'm going to install a wash down hose in the anchor locker. I just upgraded from the Hunter 15' of chain to 40'. In the pass I drop the 15' and about 50' of line to anchor with in 15 to 20 ft of water. I will also use the standard back splice when I rig things up this weekend. Can't wait to try out the 40ft of chain. Picture on the Potomac Sep 4, tough night at anchor. Jim S/V Java
 
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Mark

Ah yes Jim

But it does work on the 260. Nice photo Jim. Is it a picture of the chief of staff?? or the Captain.
 
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