I'm new to c22 sailing. Don't use a furler on my flying scot. Question is, can I use my hank on jib with the cdi or is it necessary to buy a new sail?
thanks rick
thanks rick
cdi furler
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If your current sail is new then you can take it to a sail loft and then can sew in the tape needed to make it work but I wouldn't bother unless it's a really good sail.
If you don't have the CDI yet then I'd look at a package deal.
If you don't have the CDI yet then I'd look at a package deal.
What are your intentions with the boat? Trailer-sailing, or keeping it in a slip? Lot's of folks LOVE their CDI furlers, I found them a royal pain in the butt when trailering. Just complicates the rigging process with all the added weight of the furling gear and the sail. I sold mine,(and the new genoa), and went back to a hanked on jib and a down-haul. Simple and quick.....
Now an idea I've been think of, and might install, is a Harken small boat furler,(they have one for boats up to 25'). Need to install a cable in the sail luff, the sail is independent of the forestay so it's easily removed for trailering or when the boat is left in the slip, all ready has ball bearings in the top and furling drum units so it's very easy to furl the sail, but it's for furling only. No reefing. But I normally only sail with a jib, so I'm not worried about reefing the headsail anyway.
If you insist on a CDI furler, follow the directions and have a new forestay made with a toggle on the top,(requires a slight modification of the masthead casting). Most installations use the factory headstay, and I can send you photos of forestays without the toggle that had CDI furlers and the forestays were close to failure with broken strands and severly bent cables.
I'm just not a fan of CDI furlers, but that's just me, and I know probably more people love them, than those that don't care for them like me.
Welcome to the C-22 family!!
Don
Now an idea I've been think of, and might install, is a Harken small boat furler,(they have one for boats up to 25'). Need to install a cable in the sail luff, the sail is independent of the forestay so it's easily removed for trailering or when the boat is left in the slip, all ready has ball bearings in the top and furling drum units so it's very easy to furl the sail, but it's for furling only. No reefing. But I normally only sail with a jib, so I'm not worried about reefing the headsail anyway.
If you insist on a CDI furler, follow the directions and have a new forestay made with a toggle on the top,(requires a slight modification of the masthead casting). Most installations use the factory headstay, and I can send you photos of forestays without the toggle that had CDI furlers and the forestays were close to failure with broken strands and severly bent cables.
I'm just not a fan of CDI furlers, but that's just me, and I know probably more people love them, than those that don't care for them like me.
Welcome to the C-22 family!!
Don
Don
Thanks for your insight. My boat is in a slip on lake erie. Doubt if I ever will trailer. Going to investigate the harkin. Think I'll add a downhaul this spring and see how that goes. Wasn't much fun on the deck.Erie can really kick-up.
I would only use this unit with a jib, and not a genoa. The SBFs only twist the sail by the foot and the head, and not along the entire luff like foil-based furlers do. They have a HARD time furling bigger sails in a breeze. They work greay when there is no pressure in the sail. Load it up, and it gets tricky.
"I would only use this unit with a jib, and not a genoa." I agree, I would not use a Harken small boat furler on a C-22 with a genoa either,(first I would have to buy a genoa). 
But a CDI furler is no piece of cake to wind up either with pressure on the sail.
Attached is a photo of a headstay from a C-22 I refurbished where the previous owner used the stock C-22 headstay with a CDI furler. I think there were 6 strands broken at the nicro-press fitting, and the forestay was severly kinked 90 degrees, which also further weakened it. He probably would've lost the rigging the next time he went out sailing. The new owner received a new correct forestay with a toggle on the top and bottom ends, a new hanked on jib, and a box of CDI parts.
Don
But a CDI furler is no piece of cake to wind up either with pressure on the sail.Attached is a photo of a headstay from a C-22 I refurbished where the previous owner used the stock C-22 headstay with a CDI furler. I think there were 6 strands broken at the nicro-press fitting, and the forestay was severly kinked 90 degrees, which also further weakened it. He probably would've lost the rigging the next time he went out sailing. The new owner received a new correct forestay with a toggle on the top and bottom ends, a new hanked on jib, and a box of CDI parts.
Don
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Love my new CDI and 135% headsail.
I would never diminish the experience of others regarding their boat, and CaptDon has way more hours on a C22 than I do (or probably ever will).
The sail needs to be made to fit the furler with a bolt rope rather than the hanks.
I am in a slip during the season and love the ease of just pushing away from the dock and pulling the jib sheet and away we go.
Before getting my furler, I would have to get to the boat, pull out the sail that was stored in the cabin. Hank it on and run the lines. Probably only took five minutes but when I had company it meant that they stood there watching and waiting. Then I had a sail all crumpled up on the fore deck whether I was going to raise it or not. Then after sailing, take it all apart and fold the sail on the dock and store it in the cabin another five minutes.
With the furler, it is always ready and stored neatly on the fore stay. There have been times when we get on board and the kids just want to play in the cabin, so having the sail and sheets in the cabin just adds to the clutter.
I just pulled the boat out for the season and I don't know what the issue is regarding the furler being more difficult. The fore stay disconnects with the same pin and is slightly more weight but it is made of plastic and not that heavy.
You do need to take the sail off or it would be a lot heavier. But for me I only needed to take the sail off once this season.
Every boat is different and we all play in our own way.
I would never diminish the experience of others regarding their boat, and CaptDon has way more hours on a C22 than I do (or probably ever will).
The sail needs to be made to fit the furler with a bolt rope rather than the hanks.
I am in a slip during the season and love the ease of just pushing away from the dock and pulling the jib sheet and away we go.
Before getting my furler, I would have to get to the boat, pull out the sail that was stored in the cabin. Hank it on and run the lines. Probably only took five minutes but when I had company it meant that they stood there watching and waiting. Then I had a sail all crumpled up on the fore deck whether I was going to raise it or not. Then after sailing, take it all apart and fold the sail on the dock and store it in the cabin another five minutes.
With the furler, it is always ready and stored neatly on the fore stay. There have been times when we get on board and the kids just want to play in the cabin, so having the sail and sheets in the cabin just adds to the clutter.
I just pulled the boat out for the season and I don't know what the issue is regarding the furler being more difficult. The fore stay disconnects with the same pin and is slightly more weight but it is made of plastic and not that heavy.
You do need to take the sail off or it would be a lot heavier. But for me I only needed to take the sail off once this season.
Every boat is different and we all play in our own way.
I have both a 135 and 155 genoa for my Catalina 250 tall mast. I have considerable problem with the 155 with it dragging the deck and dragging back and forth over the lifelines. It is also difficult to retract on the CDI furler. The 135 clears the lifelines and is easy to use and furls great! I sail in a windy area and most times a 155 is too much head sail and can get you in trouble in a hurry. Chief
I like my 135 for the lake I sail on. We get lots of wind shifts and sudden gusts, it can easily be furled down to a handkerchief when needed and still keep its shape.
If I lived with "trade wind" conditions, consistent mild wind I would go 150, but the larger sail would be too much for our afternoons around here, and mornings are just floaters anyway and I don't go out until the wind starts.
The only time I wish I had the 150 is for running dead down wind "wing on wing", it seems like that could be fun.
If I lived with "trade wind" conditions, consistent mild wind I would go 150, but the larger sail would be too much for our afternoons around here, and mornings are just floaters anyway and I don't go out until the wind starts.
The only time I wish I had the 150 is for running dead down wind "wing on wing", it seems like that could be fun.
I've said it many times but I'll say it again.
I started with hank on. They were fine.
I now have a CDI with a 150. I love it.
My boat stays in the water. If I were trailering then no I wouldn't have it to much to mess with. Although with my new mast raising system I leave it on when I raise and lower the mast so it really isn't an issue there either.
I've had mine for 4 years now have had no issues with it doing any damage to the stays.
Like anything if installed incorrectly then I can see it destroying things on the boat. A ring and pinion installed on a vehicle axle will destroy the entire axle in 5 mins that doesn't mean that the ring and pinion is bad it means it was installed incorrectly. There is a difference.
Installed correctly I cant see how my CDI will ever damage the front stay.
I also have absolutely zero issue reeling in the front sail in heavy winds so I have no clue where that comment came from above. In 30kts I can reel in my sail in 3 seconds or less easily. (I've done it) So again if installed incorrectly I can see how it would be hard to reel in. Installed correctly a small child can reel it in. They put them on large yachts that are very similar so on our tiny boats I cant see how it should be hard.
Now with all that.
If you like your hank on then super awesome. I have no issues with them they have been around for a thousand years pretty much time tested you might say. It's a fool proof system you cant screw up a hank on there are no moving parts everything is exposed and we have a small boat so a roller furling really isn't a necessary thing it's a luxury. For myself I have medical issues that prevents me from safely going on the deck underway so a CDI wasn't a luxury it was the only way I was going to keep sailing. But even if that wasn't an issue I would still have gotten one.
If I had my choice I'd have a roller furling main sail I love it that much but it really isn't necessary either.
It's a personal choice. And a financial one. So without knowing your personal preferences or your finances or how much you sail or where I think it's tough for anyone to really give you good advice.
There is merit in both systems or both systems wouldn't exist.
I started with hank on. They were fine.
I now have a CDI with a 150. I love it.
My boat stays in the water. If I were trailering then no I wouldn't have it to much to mess with. Although with my new mast raising system I leave it on when I raise and lower the mast so it really isn't an issue there either.
I've had mine for 4 years now have had no issues with it doing any damage to the stays.
Like anything if installed incorrectly then I can see it destroying things on the boat. A ring and pinion installed on a vehicle axle will destroy the entire axle in 5 mins that doesn't mean that the ring and pinion is bad it means it was installed incorrectly. There is a difference.
Installed correctly I cant see how my CDI will ever damage the front stay.
I also have absolutely zero issue reeling in the front sail in heavy winds so I have no clue where that comment came from above. In 30kts I can reel in my sail in 3 seconds or less easily. (I've done it) So again if installed incorrectly I can see how it would be hard to reel in. Installed correctly a small child can reel it in. They put them on large yachts that are very similar so on our tiny boats I cant see how it should be hard.
Now with all that.
If you like your hank on then super awesome. I have no issues with them they have been around for a thousand years pretty much time tested you might say. It's a fool proof system you cant screw up a hank on there are no moving parts everything is exposed and we have a small boat so a roller furling really isn't a necessary thing it's a luxury. For myself I have medical issues that prevents me from safely going on the deck underway so a CDI wasn't a luxury it was the only way I was going to keep sailing. But even if that wasn't an issue I would still have gotten one.
If I had my choice I'd have a roller furling main sail I love it that much but it really isn't necessary either.
It's a personal choice. And a financial one. So without knowing your personal preferences or your finances or how much you sail or where I think it's tough for anyone to really give you good advice.
There is merit in both systems or both systems wouldn't exist.
I don't have a 22 Catalina, I have a 32' mast 250 and it is tough to furl in a 155 in high winds even when pointing upwind. Strength is not an issue here plus a winch can be used.
I even am afraid the CDI furling line will break with the 155.
I have nor real problem with my 135 though.
Chief
I even am afraid the CDI furling line will break with the 155.
I have nor real problem with my 135 though.
Chief