Caution: Leaking Knotmenter fittings for ST60 series

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Jun 1, 2009
1,824
Hunter 49 toronto
Ok, it's been awhile since I wrote a really contraversial topic... so here it is.
There is a serious issue with the Airmar through hull fittings which are used on all the Raymarine ST60 series knotmeters and depth sounders.
We are talking about fizzure cracks that can lead to catastrophic failure of the fitting, and a 2.5 inch hole in the bottom of your boat.
And yes.... it happened to me, BUT, I caught it while the leak was still managable.
History of through hull fittings:
It used to be that the transducers and dummy plugs had about 2 or three O rings on them. The OD (outer diameter), of the O rings was just slightly larger than the ID (inner diameter) of the through hull.
A little bit of grease on the O rings, and when you pushed the through hull into the fitting, it was a very close fit.
A few years ago, Airmar re-designed the through hull fittings to incorporate a flapper valve. Basically, this is a very thin curved piece of plastic, which has the same curvature as the ID of the through hull.
It has a berellyium copper leaf spring, and a pivot point.
It is actually very clever to be honest, and the whole purpose is to shut off the water flow when you pull either the transducer, or dummy plug while the boat is in the water.
It efffectively shuts off at least 80% of the water flow.
The way that it works is that the leaf spring puts a certain amount of pressure against the hinged flap, so that it will start to swing as you retract the transducer. Once the transducer is out, the upwards water flow pressure continues to swing the flap, much in the same way as a normal gate check valve.
So far so good you say.
Well here's the problem, and I cannot tell you how much you need to pay attention to this.
When we haul our boat during the winter, prior to being placed in the slings, I pull the transducer, and put in the dummy plug. Obvioulsy this is good practice in order to avoid damaging your impeller.
So, you pull out the transducer, bit of a water gush, (which tapers off), and then push in the dummy plug until spring time.
Of course, in the spring after launch, you pull the dummy plug once your're in the water, and put in the transducer.
So, why did my boat almost sink this year??
Here's why.
Remember the original old style through hulls? ID of the hull fitting is the same size, (just about) as the transducer.
But, the new Airmar units have shut off flaps. And if you look at the through hull fitting, there is a lot of air space inside the transducer housing, to allow for the mechanics of the flap.
Whereas the older through hulls sealed off on the ID of the housing, the newer units have an O ring at the bottom, which presses against a tapered ID at the bottom of the fitting. The other O ring is at the top of the transducer, (or dummy plug), which seals off at the front end.
So here is what happens in slow motion.
Pull transducer
Water flow up fitting.
Start to put in plug.
Water flow tapers off, but fills up cavity space inside through hull fitting.
As you tighten the transducer cap, the water inside the fitting starts to get compressed. There will be no air inside, only water.
Now you leave this sealed unit for the winter.
I could go over the math with you, but I can assure you that there is a substantial structural weakness on the exterior wall of the through hulll fitting where the nut threads are exposed. If you want to see how easilly threaded surfaces fracture, do the following:
take a stainless 3/8" bolt, and clamp it in a vise, leaving 2" of exposed bolt.
Clamp a pair a vise grips onto the end, and give it a sideways smack. Now wiggle it 3 times and watch it snap. By the way, this is the easiest way in the world to shorten bolts under your deck that you might otherwise spend 5 hours with a hack saw.
So you've got water trapped in this through hull, under pressure from the screw down cap.
Guess what happens when it freezes? The through hull starts to expand, approximatley halfway between the bottom of the screw down cap, and the nut holding the through hull into the hull.
And they crack. Just like that.
And here's the really scary thing. You might not even notice it at first. It just be a few drips, as mine indeed started.
But then you go out sailing, the hull flexes, etc. and the fitting splits.
At first I couldn't figure out why this happened, so I just took the needed measures and started calling around for a travel lift schedule.
What really was odd that a number of people I spoke to said, "oh yeah, raymarine fitting... had the same problems"
So knowing this wasn't isolated, I decided to figure out what was causing this.
I then contacted Airmar, who said they were unaware of this happening. Frankly, I'm not surprised. Most people just fix their problem, and can't be bothered to alert the general masses. Then spoke to Raymarine.
They were very supportive. by the way, of me posting this objectively on the Hunter site.
Ok, so what do we do about this????
Very simple.
After your boat is hauled for the winter, pull the plug, let the water drain, and then replace. 30 seconds.
I am encourging Airmar and/or Raymarine to attach a warning tag on the transducer handles.
 
Feb 10, 2004
4,120
Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
Wow. I have a ST50 (Autohelm, pre-Raymarine) that has the same type of flapper in the speed transducer plastic thru-hull fitting. I have never pulled the plug in the fall after hauling to let any water out, although I do open all of my seacocks for the same reason. I never realized that this could be a problem.

So after 12-13 winters, I have seemingly not had a problem. Are the ST60 units manufactured by a different vendor (not Airmar?) such that the ST60's have this problem and the ST50's do not?

I will examine my thru-hull very closely before I launch this year. Thanks for the heads-up.
 
Jun 1, 2009
1,824
Hunter 49 toronto
Hey Rich,
If your through hull has the flapper valve, it falls into this category.
Here's something else that affects it.
When you inject plastic, you can get voids. They are hard to locate, and are mostly harmless. In thus case, the voids would be a big problems, as they would weaken the fitting wall under expansion stress
 
Feb 10, 2004
4,120
Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
OK, so how old is your unit? How many winters was it subjected to the trapped freezing water?
 
Jun 1, 2009
1,824
Hunter 49 toronto
Just ran an experiment

Four seasons
Ok, so I needed something to do last night.
I have an identical replacement Airmar fitting with dummy plug.
I filled a sink with water, and lowered in though hull, until all the air came out.
Then put in the dummy plug, and screwed down the cap.
I shook it, to see if I could hear any "sloshing", cause that would be a good thing, meaning air was in there. (room for expansion)
No air whatsoever.
Then I left it overnight on a paper towel, to see in any of the water would seep out of the lower O ring.
Nothing.
Shook it again. No air.
Pulled the plug and a bunch of water poured out.
 
Jun 2, 2011
347
Hunter H33 Port Credit Harbour, ON.
I do the same thing by pulling the transducer and installing the plug before the boat is hauled. My heart skipped a beat as I was reading this. Up until now I think that I have been lucky. I will now have a new procedure for winterizing.

Thanks artboas!
 
Feb 10, 2004
4,120
Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
My investigation shows ST50 OK and ST60 problem

This weekend to took a look at my ST50 knot-log transducer and found that the plug and the transducer have a double o-ring at the top just under the locking ring and no o-ring at the bottom. There are groves at the bottom but no o-rings are installed. When I pulled my plug after winter storage, there was no moisture inside the tube or on the plug. I suspect that the lock of an o-ring at the bottom allows any trapped water to drain, eliminating any potential freeze problem. Also there was no name of a manufacturer on my transducer. It may be made by Airmar; I can't tell.

Alternately, my friend has ST60 systems in his boat and when he pulled the plug for his knot-log transducer, he had water inside. His plug and transducer have a double o-ring at the top under the locking ring (just like my ST50) but it also has an o-ring at the bottom.

We are wondering if simply removing the bottom o-ring would let the water drain naturally? He is going to check his owner's instructions to see if removal after hauling and before freezing is recommended. Regardless, he will remove the plug after hauling from now on.

A quick visual check did not show any cracking, but he is going to take a very close look before re-launch this Spring.

In the pictures below, my ST50 is on the left and and the ST60 is on the right.
 

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Jun 6, 2006
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currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
I noticed the same thing on my log sensor. 3 grooves but only the top two two have rings. Never took it out during a haul out so I don't know if there was water in there or not. Never had a problem though. Course there is plenty of water in there when you remove it while in the water but after steming the flow with the dummy plug there did not seem to be any water in the unit.
 
Jun 1, 2009
1,824
Hunter 49 toronto
Re: My investigation shows ST50 OK and ST60 problem

Do not remove the bottom o ring. It will be very prone to leaking.
The best, and only, option is to pull the plug once hauled, and drain the water.
The Airmar units are definitely from ST60 onwards.
 
Oct 1, 2007
1,865
Boston Whaler Super Sport Pt. Judith
Re: My investigation shows ST50 OK and ST60 problem

Kudos to Artbos for bringing this up. I took a look at my 44DS sensors (60 series) today. They are plastic thru hulls and plastic sensors. The speed sensor has the flap and it is implemented through an annual cavity in the center section of the thru hull, with an o-ring below and a second o-ring at the top of the thru hull. I had not removed the sensors in the fall after the boat was hauled. Well, there was definitely moisture with a salty taste between the o-rings on the speed sensor. The depth sensor was noticeably drier, with an o-ring on the bottom and at the top. I would agree that it is essential to remove these sensors and replace with the plug when the boat is hauled in the cold climates.
 
Jun 1, 2009
1,824
Hunter 49 toronto
Re: My investigation shows ST50 OK and ST60 problem

Hauled out yesterday and replaced mine.
The crack was bigger than I thought.
It gave me a lot of pleasure to smack the thing with a hammer when I removed it.
Floating again...all good
 
Oct 1, 2007
1,865
Boston Whaler Super Sport Pt. Judith
Hauled out yesterday and replaced mine.
The crack was bigger than I thought.
It gave me a lot of pleasure to smack the thing with a hammer when I removed it.
Floating again...all good

Did you take a pic?
 
Jun 1, 2009
1,824
Hunter 49 toronto
No, didn't have the forethought to bring my camera.
It was cracked all right.
Only took 2 hours to refit the new one.
Back in the water. Ready for cruising!
 
Jun 1, 2009
1,824
Hunter 49 toronto
Airmar recognizes the issue

Hauled out yesterday and replaced mine.
The crack was bigger than I thought.
It gave me a lot of pleasure to smack the thing with a hammer when I removed it.
Floating again...all good

Airmar has updated their manual...
Winterizing
After the boat has been hauled for winter storage, remove the blanking plug to let the water drain away before reinserting it. This will prevent any water from freezing around the blanking plug and possibly cracking it.
 
Jan 22, 2008
36
Hunter 35 Legend Jacksonville, Fl
Wouldn't it be a grand idea to just pull the transducer/s and or plugs and leave the hole open for the winter? Allow any water out and air in to help keep the boat dry. Just saying
 
Feb 10, 2004
4,120
Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
I would leave the plug in for the winter to keep out any small critters like mice and spiders.
 
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