catalina island vs. bahamas

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May 24, 2004
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CC 30 South Florida
There might be a few days a year where an uneventful crossing of the Gulfstream can be made in a 22' Catalina. If you have the time, patience and money to wait for one of those days at each end then it is doable. If you intend to go ashore in one of the Islands after the crossing plan to get there after daybreak or before sundown as you will need the daylight to find the markers and read the bottom. No, charts over there are outdated and unreliable. Use your quarantine flag but when you go ashore present your documentation and pay the US$150 for the cruising permit, you may then hoist your Bahamian courtesy flag. You may then pay for a slip or a mooring to get some well earned shut eye or head back out to sea to anchor on the Bank. Don't forget to get fuel and beer. Setting the hook requires some patience to make sure it has grabbed or you may elect to dive the anchor and set it by hand. At night make sure you have your anchor and deck lights on as large power boats will travel the Bank at night at high speed.
If you do your purchases where the locals go most foods can be found at reasonable prices so no need to overstock in the US and haul all that out there. There are certain exceptions and paper products come to mind. Batelco which is the local telephone company has a monopoly on communications. The best way is to purchase prepaid phone cards which can be used at any public phone. Beware of cell phone availability as it may come with heafty charges which your carrier will ultimately pass on to you. The beaches and sun are free but most everything else will cost money. Never ceases to amaze me how some will cross over to the Bahamas and will anchor out and sit on the boat hardly going ashore when they could have been doing just that in the coast of Florida, cheaper and with way less complications. On the way back I prefer to land at night as the lights will help guide you in. Don't forget you need to check back into the US. Providing information and obtaining a sticker in advance simplifies the procedure. It is better than a personal appearance and paperwork. I think I could consider a trip to Catalina as two daysails back to back; the Bahams will surely take a bit more preparation.
 
Oct 7, 2011
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Catalina C-309 St. Petersburg, FL
If you cross the Gulfstream with light winds coming out of the south or south west you could do it in a Catalina 22, but it is a pretty risky thing to do. Best to leave Florida at night and plan to arrive around mid morning. The C22 is not designed for bluewater sailing.
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
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1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
anywhere a macgregor 25/26 can go so can a lil catalina. i used to laugh when macgregors with their 6 inches of draft made it to avalon...isnt the boat but the sailor who sails it.....can get scary, so watch weather well and keep your eyes open and a weather eye out.
 
Jan 22, 2008
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Fed up w/ personal attacks I'm done with SBO
I think an equally important question for either destination is what do you want to do when you get there and how long would you like to stay?
 
Mar 8, 2009
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Catalina 22 Kemah,Texas
Corpus Christi bay can have some brutal choppy conditions.

I have been out in the Bay when the outboard was out of the water on every wave.

Not fun but I felt I needed to know how to handle the boat in the weather.

Many times I was advised to return to shore so I must have been pushing the limits of my boat by the comments of those people.

The great thing about the C22 is everything you damage can be repaired with minimal skills.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,176
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
I think an equally important question for either destination is what do you want to do when you get there and how long would you like to stay?
I'd say that's his business. What happens in Catalina or the Bahamas stays...etc...
 
Jan 22, 2008
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Fed up w/ personal attacks I'm done with SBO
I'd say that's his business.
Not quite sure how to take that but the reason I suggested it is I've done Catalina in a Catalina 22 with 4 people aboard.

The crossing from Dana Point (40 NM) was timed well and easy. We left on a summer morning and the conditions were the typical glassy calm, motored for 8 hours and arrived in the afternoon. The crossing home was easy too although a bit rolly being dead downwind.

The trip was for three days, two in transit and one at the island. In short order food preparation, sanitation and electricity became issues. With that experience I'd say the longer the trip, the bigger the issues. Depending on the people, relationships can change.
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Been in the Gulf Stream at night with it blowing, me on watch at 0200 and everybody asleep. Thank goodness it was a 44-footer at over 25000#. Then surfed into the inlet at the west end of Grand Bahamas island to clear customs. Thank goodness again, I didn't have to drive. But sailing across the top of the island, even anchoring over night just off the charted channel, and down into Abaco Bay. Water so clear you could see the starfish in fifteen feet of water. Oh yeah, hope to live to do that again.
 
May 4, 2005
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Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
zeehag, its $150 for boats less than 35' and $300 (for 6months) over 35'.

(although I hear not all customs will give 6mo's some (Bimini), only give 3 months... 2nd hand info. and you need to ASK for the fishing endorsement.)

I have never even sailed on the west coast, but what I read, the shipping lanes will be the most difficult part of the catalina trip.

I think I would invest in AIS if I was going there.

and the bottom can be bad in the islands. sometimes you have a few inches of sand over a flat coral bottom, so it appears a good hold, but not really.

tank-age is the problem in the islands for a small boat. you just can't carry enough fuel and water, so you better carry a large bank roll.

There is no income or sales tax in bahamas, so they have high duties...

the wave period is also much different. much shorter on east then west coast, which really hurts the OB performace... sometimes the OB comes out of the water... and impellers don't like that for long.

comments on AIS for catalina?
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,183
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Not necessary :)
Yea, it isn't necessary, nor is radar since you'll normally have plenty of visibility, but when it isn't it does make you all warm and fuzzy to have it. As far as AIS in nice weather, if it's overlayed on a chart, it can save you a lot of unnecessary maneuvering when you can determine a ship's course and speed and see where it can be expected to go in relationship to the shipping lanes. But it isn't a necessity at all.
 
Jun 2, 2004
3,509
Hunter 23.5 Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
Catalina 22

No problem, I've sailed from Honolulu to Lahaina several times in a Catalina 22 and a Columbia of a similar size (23' 24' ? I forget). Provisions would be the issue when you got there as the boat is not big enough to stock enough for very long and would be expensive to feed yourself in town for too many meals. We'd go for a three day weekend leave late on a Friday get there Saturday afternoon leave Sunday afternoon get back Monday evening and be hungover, beat, and worthless Tuesday til noon. Trip wouldn't kill me now but probably would take til Thursday evening to recover.
 
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