Catalina 22 tilt-down keel

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Bilbo

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Aug 29, 2005
1,265
Catalina 22 Ohio
wow 2 keels fell off

This is most unfortunate. I think that this is not very commin for this to happen this frequently. "sappysailor" I think that one thing that I'd do at this point is go over everything. You may have got a bargain that is worth it or not but I would check other things. Fiberglass cracks, blisters and damage. I'd check for leaks from rain or hull leaks, I'd check the wood work for rot. (Like the bottoms of the bulkheads and the various storage areas that are divided by wood plywood partitions. Check the deck out by the mast for sturdiness. I know that certain things are different between the years so mind what I say. Ken may have better info. but another thing I did would be to go around all of the screws and bolts checking for loose ones. This includes the rudder, the motor mounts, all of the wood work. If you have an old or not so new outboard have it checked over and cleaned periodically . Take a good look at your rope lines and sails for chafe and wear. Look at your shrouds for wear and meathooks. Look at your mast and boom extrusons and such for cracks and bends. In case I missed something, I would investigate the loads of information that is on the internet already (like http://www.chipford.com/ ) about typical maintenance procedures. I guess that these boats aren't made to work woth out some regular preventative manintenance. Hence some of the boat names like "hole in the wallet", "last penney"...you get the drift. Then when you do get your keel back on, check for side play where it can swing if it's suspended on the trailer or on slings. The more that the keel wobbles to the starboard and port as in on a mooring or dock, the more this will speed up the wear that caused that keel to fall off. Checking this wobble with the keel up is easy but checking with it down make take some jacking of the hull. Stopping this side play may actually involve removing the keel hangers and replacing them with new ones that would have to be be ground down to fit more snugly. Of course the hanger bolts shoud be replaced every few years. I am convinced that the turning ball and lifting equipment should have a close eyeball every year .....or more often. I am always feeling how the keel lifts when I crank the winch. If it starts to hit (as in not smooth) the turning ball may be getting a flat side and this isn't good for the cable. If you guys can post things about this and/or photos, it would be great if only for the fact that you may draw attention to an important safety precaution for our boats. You may save another person from this problem or you may help another that is having this problem. hmmm...Makes me wonder if any C22 Pilots have posted a regular safety/maintenance schedule on the net. Now I know for sure that the "rocker stoppers" thingies at dock are a good idea. Thanks ~bilbo N.E. Ohio
 
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Michael Folsom

How to check the lifting hardware?

WOW. Lost keel. That is exactly what I am concerned about with my recently acquired 22. I am new to this boat boat have not had it off its trailer. I would like to check the condition of the lifting hardware on the swing keel before I put the boat in the water, and cannot see much when look around near the winch. Where can I find advice or instructions on this?
 
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Michael Folsom

How to check the lifting hardware?

WOW. Lost keel. That is exactly what I am concerned about with my recently acquired 22. I am new to this boat boat have not had it off its trailer. I would like to check the condition of the lifting hardware on the swing keel before I put the boat in the water, and cannot see much when look around near the winch. Where can I find advice or instructions on this?
 

Bilbo

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Aug 29, 2005
1,265
Catalina 22 Ohio
Lifting hardware

Hi Michael, If I'm forgetting something or I am wrong, anybody should chime in and correct bcause this is an important safety issue. There are a few sites on the internet aside from the several forums that show ways to check this. Like this place: http://www.chipford.com/ for a starting point. There is also a Catalina 22 association that has a lot of info including a CD of info about manitenance or modification info. It helps to have good pictures to get the idea of what shouod be there. Sometimes people who don't know, (this may or may not inclure yourprefious owner) may do things wrong. The 550lb keel is attached to the boat at two points as you know. 1) The lifting hardware is at the cable / stern end of the keel. The may be able to be inspected while on the trailer if you can lower the keel a few inches. Then you can see if the attachment for the cable to the keel is solid. Then you check the cable for frayed pieces (meathooks) or cracks in the fitting at the keel. Check your volcano tube that looks like a radiator hose. You can remove this with a screwdriver or a wrench by loosening the hose clamps. Inside of this is the turning ball that has a slot in it. Check the slot for flat spots. The cable goes aft of this turning ball through the volcano. When on the trailer, you can remove the cable from the winch without any big issues. I would be cautious about oiling the winch because there is a clutch assembly that relys on friction to hold the keel at any given place up or down. So again, check the complete length of the cable for frays. Make sure that the winch bolts are tight. 2) The hinge point is at the front pivot pin and hanger castings. Removing this while on the trailer is usually not considered possible because of the space below the keel but I have checked mine on the trailer without jacking up the boat. The thing to watch out for if you lower the keel a little bit on the trailer is that the aft end of the keel can dig into the fiberglass as the fore end is lowered a tad. AS I said, some people make mistakes. The keel hangers will be flush with the hull when properly atached and not hanging below. If you can look at the keel hangers, check for any wear. One thing tha tyou may want to do right now with the baot on the trailer is to check for slop. If the aft end is up and the keel is hanging free, you can try to swing the keel sideways (Port/ Starboard). It should not wag very far. If it does, then you may suspect that the pivot pin or the keel hole has some wear. If the boat sits at mooring or at dock for many summers, the wave action can cause a lot of wear with time. The hole in the keel is realtively close to the edge when the keel is up and it can wear through. If you are down there, replace the 4 bolts every two years. They may look good but they will get some stress and this isn't visible until they break off. You can usually replace these bolts one at a time without any big to-do but use the loc-tite and mind how tight that you make them. We have discussed this here recently and I think that 15-20 ft-lbs is ok. (Ken? help out here). Another issue that is usually more speed related is rust on the keel. This would almost be a given with a used boat to have some. It can be ground off, faired and overcoated with some sort of waterprof coating as per other internet suggestions. The neat thing about the C22 is that all of these parts are available for replacement. I have become convinced that the turning ball, the cable, the 4 bolts and the hanger pin need regular replacement. How often to replae each part depends on your particular situation. Salt/fresh, in water or on trailer, wave action if in water and even the depth of our dockage can have an effect on these things.
 

Bilbo

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Aug 29, 2005
1,265
Catalina 22 Ohio
Lifting hardware

Hi Michael, If I'm forgetting something or I am wrong, anybody should chime in and correct bcause this is an important safety issue. There are a few sites on the internet aside from the several forums that show ways to check this. Like this place: http://www.chipford.com/ for a starting point. There is also a Catalina 22 association that has a lot of info including a CD of info about manitenance or modification info. It helps to have good pictures to get the idea of what shouod be there. Sometimes people who don't know, (this may or may not inclure yourprefious owner) may do things wrong. The 550lb keel is attached to the boat at two points as you know. 1) The lifting hardware is at the cable / stern end of the keel. The may be able to be inspected while on the trailer if you can lower the keel a few inches. Then you can see if the attachment for the cable to the keel is solid. Then you check the cable for frayed pieces (meathooks) or cracks in the fitting at the keel. Check your volcano tube that looks like a radiator hose. You can remove this with a screwdriver or a wrench by loosening the hose clamps. Inside of this is the turning ball that has a slot in it. Check the slot for flat spots. The cable goes aft of this turning ball through the volcano. When on the trailer, you can remove the cable from the winch without any big issues. I would be cautious about oiling the winch because there is a clutch assembly that relys on friction to hold the keel at any given place up or down. So again, check the complete length of the cable for frays. Make sure that the winch bolts are tight. 2) The hinge point is at the front pivot pin and hanger castings. Removing this while on the trailer is usually not considered possible because of the space below the keel but I have checked mine on the trailer without jacking up the boat. The thing to watch out for if you lower the keel a little bit on the trailer is that the aft end of the keel can dig into the fiberglass as the fore end is lowered a tad. AS I said, some people make mistakes. The keel hangers will be flush with the hull when properly atached and not hanging below. If you can look at the keel hangers, check for any wear. One thing tha tyou may want to do right now with the baot on the trailer is to check for slop. If the aft end is up and the keel is hanging free, you can try to swing the keel sideways (Port/ Starboard). It should not wag very far. If it does, then you may suspect that the pivot pin or the keel hole has some wear. If the boat sits at mooring or at dock for many summers, the wave action can cause a lot of wear with time. The hole in the keel is realtively close to the edge when the keel is up and it can wear through. If you are down there, replace the 4 bolts every two years. They may look good but they will get some stress and this isn't visible until they break off. You can usually replace these bolts one at a time without any big to-do but use the loc-tite and mind how tight that you make them. We have discussed this here recently and I think that 15-20 ft-lbs is ok. (Ken? help out here). Another issue that is usually more speed related is rust on the keel. This would almost be a given with a used boat to have some. It can be ground off, faired and overcoated with some sort of waterprof coating as per other internet suggestions. The neat thing about the C22 is that all of these parts are available for replacement. I have become convinced that the turning ball, the cable, the 4 bolts and the hanger pin need regular replacement. How often to replae each part depends on your particular situation. Salt/fresh, in water or on trailer, wave action if in water and even the depth of our dockage can have an effect on these things.
 
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