Cat netting on a Catalina 22? $?

Jun 4, 2014
10
Catalina 22 '77 Catalina 22 Harbor Island, San Diego
I would really appreciate your thoughts on these points:

1. I'm planning on buying my first boat, an older C22 in the fall/winter in San Diego, - keep the boat for a year and get a older C30.
I would like to have my 2 cats go day sailing w/me.
2. If i see a C22 that i like and it does not have lifelines, approximately how much would it cost to install lifelines and netting?
3. Would the above increase or decrease the resale value of a C22?
4. How much Dramamine should you give a seasick 10lb cat? just kidding on that one? GetAttachment.aspx.jpeg
 
Nov 26, 2012
2,315
Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
Why lifelines? They sure won't keep a cat on board with or without netting! Lifelines on a small boat are probably more dangerous than one without. Chief
 
Sep 29, 2012
128
Catalina 22 Clucluz Lake, BC
catalinadirect.com sells lifelines, stanchions, pulpits etc. Have a look there and see what your costs add up to. With or without I don't think it affects the resale of the boat by much at all. The condition of the deck, hull, and keel plus age and wear of the rigging and sails are what people typically look for in old boats as they are the most critical.

Perhaps your cat could wear a harness and tether?
 
Jun 4, 2014
10
Catalina 22 '77 Catalina 22 Harbor Island, San Diego
cats and nets

Why lifelines? They sure won't keep a cat on board with or without netting! Lifelines on a small boat are probably more dangerous than one without. Chief
Perhaps i should have noted that the cats would only be allowed on deck when we're underway. They could certainly climb the netting, but they would never climb the netting to purposefully enter the water. thanks for your reply.
 
Nov 26, 2012
2,315
Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
Cats hate water anyway, they are not going in the water! They will be safer than you on board! ha Don't waste your money on lifelines/netting as they will be fine. Chief
 
Feb 25, 2014
95
Catalina 30 Grand Lake. Wyandotte, Ok.
Instead of buying a 22 and putting money towards upgrades and things that you will add and change you may consider going to the 30 in the beginning. I know the cost of a 22 is attractive but for those of us that have gone that route we all know the cost involved in upgrades. Then there is the time to sell. It may take some time to sell and you may not recoup the investment you have made in the 22. Just my 2 cents. YMMV.
 
Feb 25, 2014
95
Catalina 30 Grand Lake. Wyandotte, Ok.
I can see it now.

Those cats probably will be scaling the halyards and clinging to the sails.
 
Jun 4, 2014
10
Catalina 22 '77 Catalina 22 Harbor Island, San Diego
makes sense

Instead of buying a 22 and putting money towards upgrades and things that you will add and change you may consider going to the 30 in the beginning. I know the cost of a 22 is attractive but for those of us that have gone that route we all know the cost involved in upgrades. Then there is the time to sell. It may take some time to sell and you may not recoup the investment you have made in the 22. Just my 2 cents. YMMV.
Yes, i was thinking the way you have suggested originally - but..... did you know that you would love sailing enough to warrant a large $ investment on your first boat? Maybe you did. That's the hard part for me. The C30s i would like are in the $10k to $25k range. And i can get a C22 for >$5k here in San Diego. Still, i agree your idea is wiser if i knew for sure. The only upgrades i think i would make to a C22 would be for the safety of the cats. Yes, they are extremely nimble, agile and sure pawed, but i'm not taking any chance of them slipping over the side. I forgot to mention i would be sailing single handed most of the time.
Thank you very much for your thoughtful and sensible reply - truly.
 
Nov 19, 2008
2,129
Catalina C-22 MK-II Parrish, FL
Shortstop,

GREAT! Another C-22 sailor here in San Diego! We recently started a C-22 Fleet here in San Diego, so stand-by! Anyway, we sail with our little dog, and she always has a life jacket on, and I would recommend the same for cats. There is a handle on the back should she fall overboard, but the only time she has gone in the drink was at the slip when she slipped jumping to the dock while tied up. Used life line stantions for C-22's are always coming up because racers don't want them, but I have them on both our C-22's, and like to use them as a back rest when sitting on the combing steering with the tiller extension. So don't dispare, if you find a decent C-22 but it doesn't have life-lines, it's not the end of the world. Many C-22's already come with them, but some boats, especially the older models don't. Life lines or no life lines really won't make a difference in the value or price on an older used C-22. There always seems to be a C-22 for sale here in San Diego, and most are nice boats, but there are others out there that are someone elses troubles that they want to pass onto you. So be careful. A "deal" can often be hidding major problems that will soon discourage you. I've purchased several C-22's that I refurbished, and are GREAT boats. But then, I wouldn't sell a problem boat. Any boat I sell is ready to go from day one, and need no repairs. A swing keel C-22 left in a slip, or a mooring "can" be a problem. if it hasn't been properly maintained. If the swing keeled, or any C-22 that has been left in a slip, and has a bunch of growth on the bottom, you can pretty much assume, it hasn't been "properly" maintained, and I would recommend staying clear of the boat, regardless how cheap. Also, if a C-22 doesn't have a servicable trailer, it will appear to be a deal, but a decent trailer is a must have item for a C-22. I recently purchased a very nice swing keel C-22, and the boat above the waterline is beautiful. But they failed to properly maintain the swing keel, and kept the boat in a slip. The keel disolved away in the salt water and needs to be replaced. An expensive job to do "properly", but this boat is going to be worth the expense, time and trouble.

Anyway, we also hang with a local group of trailer-sailors called the "SoCal Potters". We have an outting every month around Southern California, and this coming weekend they will be at Mission Bay. Next month is our annual sailing trip to Catalina Island, and in August, I'm hosting the C-22 "Catalina's to Catalina" week long adventure to Avalon and Two Harbors.

Check-out their web site: http://www.howies.net/socalpotter/

When we first moved back to San Diego, we also thought about a bigger boat, i.e. C-27 or a C-30. Then we met up with the trailer-sailors and it's been so much fun, we're over the bigger boat thing. The expense of the larger boat, and limiting yourself on your cruising areas, it just didn't make sense to us. We trailered to Florida last summer, and I'm leaving to attend the C-22 National's in Texas this week, so I'll miss our Mission Bay weekend this month. And after I retire next year, we plan on participating in several of the C-22 cruises around the country. Couldn't do that with a bigger boat.

Attached is a photo of our C-22's. Our MK-II version is normally kept in a slip at the Mission bay Yacht Club, but she was dry-docked for some maintenance before the big trip to Texas.

Good luck in your search, and looking forward to another C-22 owner here in San Diego!

Don Boyko
Commodore
National C-22 Association
 
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Aug 11, 2011
759
catalina 22 Islamorada
Blah I cant get my links working but you can look in my profile at my pictures and I have pictures there.

The netting is super cheep and for my boat I love it has saved various tools floats and my dog about 500 times but never has saved me or my wife.


you can find it on amazon along with a lot of other stuff.
 
Jun 4, 2014
10
Catalina 22 '77 Catalina 22 Harbor Island, San Diego
Blah I cant get my links working but you can look in my profile at my pictures and I have pictures there.

The netting is super cheep and for my boat I love it has saved various tools floats and my dog about 500 times but never has saved me or my wife.


you can find it on amazon along with a lot of other stuff.
your boat looks great with the netting - thanks for your valuable input!
 
Nov 19, 2008
2,129
Catalina C-22 MK-II Parrish, FL
Allen,

Peeked at your boat photos, nice looking C-22, and that man-cave is to DIE FOR!

Don
 
Jun 4, 2014
10
Catalina 22 '77 Catalina 22 Harbor Island, San Diego
Shortstop,

GREAT! Another C-22 sailor here in San Diego! We recently started a C-22 Fleet here in San Diego, so stand-by! Anyway, we sail with our little dog, and she always has a life jacket on, and I would recommend the same for cats. There is a handle on the back should she fall overboard, but the only time she has gone in the drink was at the slip when she slipped jumping to the dock while tied up. Used life line stantions for C-22's are always coming up because racers don't want them, but I have them on both our C-22's, and like to use them as a back rest when sitting on the combing steering with the tiller extension. So don't dispare, if you find a decent C-22 but it doesn't have life-lines, it's not the end of the world. Many C-22's already come with them, but some boats, especially the older models don't. Life lines or no life lines really won't make a difference in the value or price on an older used C-22. There always seems to be a C-22 for sale here in San Diego, and most are nice boats, but there are others out there that are someone elses troubles that they want to pass onto you. So be careful. A "deal" can often be hidding major problems that will soon discourage you. I've purchased several C-22's that I refurbished, and are GREAT boats. But then, I wouldn't sell a problem boat. Any boat I sell is ready to go from day one, and need no repairs. A swing keel C-22 left in a slip, or a mooring "can" be a problem. if it hasn't been properly maintained. If the swing keeled, or any C-22 that has been left in a slip, and has a bunch of growth on the bottom, you can pretty much assume, it hasn't been "properly" maintained, and I would recommend staying clear of the boat, regardless how cheap. Also, if a C-22 doesn't have a servicable trailer, it will appear to be a deal, but a decent trailer is a must have item for a C-22. I recently purchased a very nice swing keel C-22, and the boat above the waterline is beautiful. But they failed to properly maintain the swing keel, and kept the boat in a slip. The keel disolved away in the salt water and needs to be replaced. An expensive job to do "properly", but this boat is going to be worth the expense, time and trouble.

Anyway, we also hang with a local group of trailer-sailors called the "SoCal Potters". We have an outting every month around Southern California, and this coming weekend they will be at Mission Bay. Next month is our annual sailing trip to Catalina Island, and in August, I'm hosting the C-22 "Catalina's to Catalina" week long adventure to Avalon and Two Harbors.

Check-out their web site: http://www.howies.net/socalpotter/

When we first moved back to San Diego, we also thought about a bigger boat, i.e. C-27 or a C-30. Then we met up with the trailer-sailors and it's been so much fun, we're over the bigger boat thing. The expense of the larger boat, and limiting yourself on your cruising areas, it just didn't make sense to us. We trailered to Florida last summer, and I'm leaving to attend the C-22 National's in Texas this week, so I'll miss our Mission Bay weekend this month. And after I retire next year, we plan on participating in several of the C-22 cruises around the country. Couldn't do that with a bigger boat.

Attached is a photo of our C-22's. Our MK-II version is normally kept in a slip at the Mission bay Yacht Club, but she was dry-docked for some maintenance before the big trip to Texas.

Good luck in your search, and looking forward to another C-22 owner here in San Diego!

Don Boyko
Commodore
National C-22 Association
Thanks Don, a lot of good advice, i will certainly keep it in mind. Have a great trip.
 
Aug 11, 2011
759
catalina 22 Islamorada
why leave the cats at home? I don't have cats but take my dog everywhere and he loves the boat and he's always my best companion on the boat excluding my wife.
 
Aug 23, 2013
6
Jaguar 22 Maryport
I met some people in the Caribbean who'd sailed many thousands of miles with 2 cats onboard. They kept an old small spinnaker in a cockpit locker ready to be deployed as a 'scramble net' if a cat went over the side, and it had been used several times mid ocean. The cats were still alive and well though after several scarey adventures.

I doubt that the knee high rails of a Cat 22, (with or without netting), will keep a cat onboard if it decides to jump, BUT-- cat's have wonderful long thin tails, just about the right size for a cam cleat. There's your answer, just feed their tails through a cleat and you'll have no problems at all, and it will save you the cost of netting.
 
May 6, 2012
303
Hunter 28.5 Jordan, ON
I met some people in the Caribbean who'd sailed many thousands of miles with 2 cats onboard. They kept an old small spinnaker in a cockpit locker ready to be deployed as a 'scramble net' if a cat went over the side, and it had been used several times mid ocean. The cats were still alive and well though after several scarey adventures.

I doubt that the knee high rails of a Cat 22, (with or without netting), will keep a cat onboard if it decides to jump, BUT-- cat's have wonderful long thin tails, just about the right size for a cam cleat. There's your answer, just feed their tails through a cleat and you'll have no problems at all, and it will save you the cost of netting.
Imagine, if you could get the cat to cleat itself, it would be self-tailing. :-D