Carrying a 9.9hp on the fordeck.

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Sep 19, 2011
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Catalina 34 LongBeach
My dink is a 310 high-pressure-floor (roll-up) with a 9.9hp 4stroke (90lbs). I don't like to put a 90# engine on the push-pit rail. I want to hoist the dinghy and engine (separately) onto the fordeck using a halyard with a 6/1 block and tackle. I'm thinking I can lash the outboard down in front of the mast with the foot forward laying on a small, custom pad. The outboard is drilled to accept a yoke (line) fore and aft for secure hoisting.

Has anyone cruised with an outboard forward? Any suggestions on a good mounting forward of the cockpit?

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Ed
 
Dec 2, 2003
392
Catalina 350 Seattle
Does it fit in the overhead of the airplane as carry on luggage?

Seriously, what upstanding charter company doesn't provide a sensible dink with OB? How can lugging all that equipment, along with your clothes, etc, be any kind of fun for a charter vacation?

Good Luck!

Tim Brogan
April IV C350 #68
Seattle
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,137
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
My dink is a 310 high-pressure-floor (roll-up) with a 9.9hp 4stroke (90lbs). I don't like to put a 90# engine on the push-pit rail.
Ed, we have a 9.9 hp 2 stroke, probably about 74 pounds with the same dinghy. We have no issues storing the engine on the pushpit. We also have a Garhauer motor lift, don't leave home without one. I simply can't envision the need or want to do what you are proposing. Because the real trick is getting the engine onto the dinghy from your proposed arrangement - not a good idea at all.

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to why you think using the pushpit is a bad idea to begin with, since most all of us do that. What's so wrong about it in your mind?

Stu

PS, you're very welcome to join us over on our message board, in addition to hanging here, too. http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/board,11.0.html
 
Jul 27, 2011
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Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
A 10' dink w/ a 100 lb outboard on 34' a sailboat is tough. It wasn't even all that great on a 38' sailboat (my own), except that my engine was an 8-hp two stroke, so not quite as heavy. My advice, but not my first choice, would be to tow the dink and stow the engine in your lazarette. Use your tackle to get the engine in and out of the lazarette. Use all three towing eyes on the dink in a 3-point bridle w/ most of the towing force on the center eye. If you have to bring the dink aboard, at least you'll have a clear deck forward. But stowing a heavy, clumsy thing like an outboard engine on the foredeck of sailboat is not a good idea, in my opinion.
 

DannyS

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May 27, 2004
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Beneteau 393 Bayfield, Wi
I use my boom vang attached to the end of the boom to lift the engine on and off the dinghy. I start with the dinghy tied alongside the boat where the end of the boom when swung out will be directly above the engine. The end of the boom allows me to swing the engine up and into the cockpit so instead of trying to move the engine to the outside of the pushpit, I just lift it on to the bracket on the inside of the pushpit. It works great! 9.9 four stroke weighing close to 90 pounds.
 

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Sep 19, 2011
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Catalina 34 LongBeach
Thanks for the info and photo.
I have a forespar 4 to 1 that makes me nervous. I have been putting the outboard on the inside of the pushpit as you show in the photo. I have a wood foot that I bungy on that allows it to rest on the deck too. Maybe I could get a 6 to 1 "boomvang" and use the boom to get it to the cockpit then the forespar lift to put it on the rail (inside).
I may also "upgrade" my forspar lift to tha 6 to 1 Garhauer like Stu uses.

I lift 90# at the gym but am trying to avoid it dangling precariously over the dink. :)
Thanks for the responses. I'm still curious about setting it up on the foredeck.

Ed
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,137
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Garhauer motor lift

Ed,

I think I understand your concerns about the Forespar lift. When I was doing my "research" into the motor lifts back in '98, I checked them all out. Now don't get me wrong, I've heard folks say "What I have is the very best," all the time, even when maybe there are better things out there. That said, if you compare all the motor lifts, I think it will become pretty apparent that the engineering and construction of the Garhauer lift is better than the others simply because the horizontal arm is made out of very, very sturdy material and the upside down "U" shape is simply structurally stronger and is necessary given the weight of your engine. In addition, at least when I did my pricing comparison, there was, well, no comparison. The cost of the Garhauer unit, combined with its strength, was a no-brainer choice for me.

Because of the 6:1 purchase, I have been able to lower the engine onto the dink all by myself, without any outside help. Control is very easy on the way down, and literally effortless on the way back up. In addition, the newer Garhauer lifts have moved the cam cleat from the horizontal arm down to the tube, making "singlehanding" a tad easier. I simply re-reeve the line out of my cam cleat and down through the sheave to lower the motor if I'm doing it myself. With the 6:1 purchase, even if I accidentally let it go, it doesn't go too far too fast. Hasn't happened, though.:)

That said, if you still "persist" in wanting to mount your engine in front of the mast, here's my take on that:

Your dinghy WILL, I say will, take up all the space on your foredeck. I know, I've done it. There will be little to actually ZERO room to mount anything because of the simple geometry -- the tubes of the dinghy WILL extend behind the mast with the transom just forward or just at the front of the mast. That's a reality based on the size of the foredeck and the size of your dinghy (as I noted, I have the same one). You could deflate it to give you room, but that adds an extra BIG step every time you wanted to use it. We even have a 120V air pump, with our inverter it's easy to use, but blowing up an air floor dinghy on the foredeck is not fun. We still need the foot pump to pressurize the air floor adequately.

Given that, even if you could design and build a "motor-holder" up at the mast, somewhere, there simply isn't room for it with an inflated 10'-2" dinghy, either in front or beside the mast. If you had a shorter dinghy, perhaps it could be done.

But I go back to the issue of getting your motor onto your dinghy from that forward position. It is, indeed, a much more difficult thing to do, even if you have a sound and secure topping lift or a Garhauer rigid vang, even if you could rig some kind of vang arrangement from the end of your boom. Think of the geometry there, too: could you get a "straight lift" from the end of your boom? Hardly, you'd be lifting something at an extreme angle when you took the engine off. And our booms are pretty short to be able to use the boom to get the engine onto the pushpit. The boom stops well before the binnacle. I'm sure that what Danny suggested would be difficult at best on our boats. The geometry simply doesn't work on a C34.

Alternatively, as you suggest, say you used a halyard: you'd have to add extra purchase, so OK, use a 4:1 vang on the end of the halyard, which is a lot less than the 6:1 motor lift. You'd be able to lift straight up, but then someone would have to push the halyard over to the side to lower the engine down. In my mind, that takes two people. I can do it by myself with my lift at the stern.

Laying outboard engines down on their side is not usually good for the engine. I've read all sorts of issues related to doing this and most outboard manuals have clear instructions about the certain position required to avoid damaging the engine. In all my years with outboards, the only times I've laid them on their sides was bringing them to and from the boat in the car. We had a C22 and a C25 with a 7.5 hp Merc, and now this 9.9 hp Evinrude. Outboards since 1983!

I just do not recommend it, for your safety and the security of your engine.

That's why the motor lift works so well, back in the aft end of the cockpit, right where the motor sits on the pushpit.

I still don't understand your desire to do that foredeck motor mount, but hope this discussion of the geometry involved helps you understand my reasons for discouraging you in this regard.

All the best,

Stu

PS - I also think having the engine "inboard" at the stern makes little sense. It takes valuable space away from the cockpit, and you'd bump into it all the time, based on where the vertical stanchions are on our pushpits.
 

DannyS

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May 27, 2004
933
Beneteau 393 Bayfield, Wi
"PS - I also think having the engine "inboard" at the stern makes little sense. It takes valuable space away from the cockpit, and you'd bump into it all the time, based on where the vertical stanchions are on our pushpits."[/QUOTE]


It all depends on how much you really plan on lifting your engine off the dinghy. If you plan on doing this every time you want to go for a sail, then having the engine on the inside of the pushpit may not be the best solution. But I only do this when I know I'm heading outside of our normal protected cruising grounds and out into the open fetches of Lake Superior, Maybe 3 or 4 times a year. I just can't justify having a dedicated lifting device for that amount of use. This is a good compromise for my use and thought I'd offer this up as another solution to KnightSailing's conundrum.
 
Sep 19, 2011
3
Catalina 34 LongBeach
Thanks for the responses.
I ended up beefing up my Fore spar motor mate to a 6:1 and including two ratchet blocks. This gives lots of control when lowering and enough purchase when hoisting.
It ended up being more expensive than I wanted, but when's that not the case.

The Forespar motor mate is a) what I had; b) very lite, compact and stowable when not in use. I've given up putting the engine on the foredeck because of the arguments presented above; primarily: a) laying it horizontal getting salt in the heads or oil on deck b) deck real-estate limitations.

Besides, launching from the stern is probably smoother.

Ed
 
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