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And try to get crew involvement in decisions

I also think its important to get crew involvement in some of the decision process as well, this develops the team. If cruising for example use collaberative approach for destinations, initial route planning, activities ashore. Let the crew have input into the watch schedule. These things allow the feeling of involvement, after all we are taking about something that is supposed to be fun for all, a not a military mission to storm the beaches.
 
Oct 26, 2004
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Macgregor 26X Denton Co. TX USA
The Boy Scout approach

Be prepared. I never raise my voice except to be better heard over wind or motor. I've been told that I convey great confidence to new guests or nonsailors because no matter what happens I am calm and seem to know what to do. Without giving numerous examples over 40 years of sailing in boats from 14' to 132', I can just say it's all due to preparation. I study and reread the authoritative books to keep refreshed. Mentally I imagine the feeling, and visualize what kind of things can go wrong, from misunderstood orders to the vagaries of unusual weather or anchoring conditions. I develop a plan A,and a plan B for equipment failure or misjudgement on my own part. I maintain the boat for heavy weather or deep sea conditions though I will probably not endure them but once every 20 years or so because of weather forecast knowledge. When we go onboard,I explain to the crew and guests that sailing is an adventure. No one can really tell in advance what might happen on a one hour, much less an overnight cruise. I explain that there many techniques and approaches to sailing and handling a boat safely and successfully. I will choose what I think is best for safety and comfort, but I'm always open to hear their opinion, though it may not affect my choice of actions. I take responsibility for all that happens on the boat whether in dock or under way. I remind the crew that I will occasionally make mistakes of timing or judgement and will readily admit them. They are always welcome to question my decisions or ask how or why things work the way they do. I try to get everyone on board involved in some way. I explain, well in advance of they are needed, what I'd like them to do, when and how. I get them to tighten a line, or coil a rope, arrange the life vests. I especiallly want everyone, man, woman or child to man the helm for a shortwhile while I go "check on something". (Usually to lie down on the V berth, close my eyes and listen to the sound of water swishing by the stem for one minute) From 7 to 70 yrs of age, every nonsailor gets to feel the great joy and magic on controling a boat under full sail. My great joy is sharing my time on the water in a quet, harmonious and peaceful way, regardless of the "adventure surprises' that can befall a sailor while sailing under canvas or iron wind. I never lack for crew or guests. And I'm still married to the same first mate I started out with 45 years ago, so I think the above works for me. Might work for you too, regardless of what choices you've made in the past.
 
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Final results

Final results for the Quick Quiz ending January 15, 2006: What is your skippering style? 43% Moderate, but tense under pressure  29% Moderate, and cool as ice under pressure 20 % Collaborative 08% My way or the hiway
 
Jan 16, 2006
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Ditto On Control

I have sailed most of my life well 45 years. I have been in so many situations where some screamer was trying to make people think he was in command and as he shouted orders ran into the fuel dock at eight knots or we were knocked down by a squall. I have had to take command on two diffrent boats which was ugly but saved our butts. I did shout at the captain as he made one bad judgment and then another. Once I had to grab the wheel and back hand this ass as he was going to run down a water taxie in a harbor after I pointed out he was on a colision course. He tried to sue me because the boat was his daddys and that made him the captain.His crew stood by me on that one. I try and be cool and make good calls a minute ahead of myself always looking at what could happen if. I see a crew member being hit by the boom when he has not left the cockpit yet. Doing this in your head will save allot of stress if you have control even when the rest of the crew has lost it.Happy to report I have never lost a man overboard unless we threw him over. Ya I looked to make sure he was not going to land on anything.
 
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Captain Queeg here

When I find myself helping other sailboat crews on our tuesday night sailing in Oyster Bay, I cease to be amazed at how many crews race by committee. That is to say they take a vote as to when to tack. There is a particular boat that had repeatedly been in minor collisions with my teams boat (all 23 foot Sonar's), but they didn't do half bad. One day I found myself on their boat, expecting to find that the skipper was a little bit crazy. What I learned was there was no leader. Not only did they take a vote before each course change, but there was agreement that the helsman would never tack or change course, until the decision was unanamous! I went nuts, it was the most bizaar thing I had ever seen. Although I intended to be crew, i took over as skipper. We won three races in a row, and I shared alot about my skippering style. Two weeks later, I learned that instead of being helpful all I did was establish myself as being a communist skipper who treated his crew like minions. My existing sailing crew got a laugh that anyone could think this, but their conditioned and don't realize it's true. :)
 
Jul 20, 2005
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Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
winning isn't everything

Sounds like they had more fun without you Dan and that's more important then winning.
 
Jul 20, 2005
2,422
Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
sometimes....

two heads are better then one so communication and discussing things isn't always bad...infact, it's usually better. Another time it's good to discuss stuff is when running into bad weather. It may be perfectly safe to continue on but other crew members may want to abandon the trip. I prefer my crew being happy then anything else and I wouldn't know it unless I ask or they tell me they are uncomfortable. I really do think you guys got an ego problem. I didn't even hear this much BS about being in command in the army. A good leader/commander takes in advice before making decisions. There are times when things have to be done a sertain way, but those times aren't nearly as often as you guys make it seem. So you say My way or the highway...I'll take the highway.
 

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Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
winning isn't everything

Sorry, must disagree!! When racing WINNING IS EVERYTHING. I've crewed on boats where the crew could care less, I'm here to tell you that's just not what it's all about. When I go racing, I'm prepared, the boat is preped, the crew is up to speed and the first order of business is to do our damnedest to WIN. We don't spend the time and effort and money just to go out with a half hearted attempt. Sailing the boat to its potential is the name of the game, period.
 
Jul 20, 2005
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Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
Wrong Alan

Winning isn't everything to you either...performing at your best brings great joy to you and that's what's most important to you and winning is just a measure stick you go by, but once again, it comes down to what YOU enjoy most. Even if I'm wrong and it's winning that you enjoy most, I'm still right...it's the fun that's important. If winning wasn't fun, you wouldn't be spending the money, prepping the boat and so on. To others, the joy isn't all wrapped up in the measuring stick. I've met many people who are into racing, not because they want to win, but they like being part of a sailing event and enjoy getting to know the other sailors and really enjoy taking the long trips, knowing there are plenty of others around just in case. They could care less if they win...their goal is just to make it there ontime. Added: and when/if the day comes when there is nolonger a challenge in racing for you, winning will not mean as much and you will find yourself not doing it as much.
 

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Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
Interesting point here...

Franklin, I'm not 'wrong', you just disagree with my position. My position is 'right' for me. It may not work for you, but that's OK, yours is 'right' for you. As to racing and winning. I don't ever enter a race with the attitude of "They could care less if they win...". Those type of sailors are always at the back of the fleet with their dodgers up, a beer in one hand, and having a discussion about last weeks ball game. I enter races for the competition with the goal of winning. Ask any athlete who enters ANY race if he does it for fun, or to win. Sure, theres fun, and work, and sweat, and heartache involved, but the overwhellming driving force is winning. PS, Cruising sailing is a whole different thing. When I'm on a cruise, I am laid back and relaxed. Sail trim isn't quite as important and neither is arrival time (usually). But then that's not racing.
 
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Franklin

Ask Jordan

He was in it for the winning...but he retired 3 times because winning lost it's edge...it wasn't a challenge for him so he retired (again and again). For you type of people, it's about the competition, not the winning. The fun part is in the competition. Would you ever race your child in a foot race and be happy you won? No, because there is no fun if there is no competition. So, winning is important to you as long as there is competition to make it FUN!. SO...KEY WORD HERE IS FUN. Now, what makes it fun for you isn't always the same for others. Biggest point I've been trying to make on this board is different strokes for different folks and a perfect example was Dan's story. They were winning but they weren't happy about it. So I repeat my firs statement...winning isn't everything, having fun is (or making money so our loved ones and us have fun and eat of course).
 
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More Fun ... But

Yes ... I think they did have more fun. However, the whole unanamous vote thing before altering course is really unworkable, ... for example having a rules debate while crossing with another boat just leads to the kind of continuous collisions ... of course, that is just what you would expect me to say to justify my skippering approach.
 
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More Fun, But ...

Yes ... I think they did have more fun. However, the whole unanamous vote thing before altering course is really unworkable, ... for example having a rules debate while crossing with another boat just leads to the kind of continuous collisions they became known for ... of course, that is just what you would expect me to say to justify my skippering approach.
 
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Alan / Franklin Sub Thread

As a racer, we are there to win. We can have fun even when we don't win, but the fun level is much more intense when you perform at your peak, and laugh when you don't quite get to that level on each race. Even with errors, there is a complete focus to perform better than every other boat out there, and thats accomplished when each person does everything their crew position requires in harmony with the team. Only one crew position makes tactical decisions on a 4 person crew during the race. While there can be discussion about a specific tack or the position of a layline ... each course change is not a collaborate / democratic process. Neither is the trimming of the sails, and other required activities. So ... if a crew has more fun managing tactics as a democratic function, it's not ok, the crew isn't focused on activities of each crew position leading to poor performance, and in the case of the crew I wrote about, collisions (the "voting" crew were fuzzy about the rules of racing) ... according to me. Dan
 
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