OK well,, I may have a little problem admitting it. Most of you know who read this forum know that I am returning to my roots of owning a sail boat after powerboating for over 50 years. Back in the 50's the biggest boats I could afford was Roads Bantum, Snipe, comet etc.. I once capsied a 12 ft Ray Green Nipper in an unexpected gust of freakish wind. Here is my big question,,,,,,This 222 O'day is the biggest sailboat I've owned so far and I have had her little teak trim above the rub rail underwater. Can/will this boat capsize? Has anyone seen this size boat go over? I have not heard anyone talk about one doing this as of yet. Humm curious...........
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Capsize?
I think the prudent approach is to assume that ALL boats, including your 222, can be capsized. As they are rolled, almost all boats reach a point of vanishing stability where they would sooner be upside down than right side up. Unlike the 12 foot boat you mentioned above, boats that carry ballast like your 222 should right themselves from a wind induced "knock-down". It is waves that carry risk of a capsize to a larger boat. I've read that as a rule-of-thumb you should consider any breaking wave that has a height greater than 60% of your waterline as a capsize risk. If I've done my arithmetic correctly that would be a breaking wave of 10 ft. or greater in your case. I've included a link to a photo series of a Santana 22 (which has 1200 lbs. of ballast in it's keel!) being rolled by a wave under the Golden Gate Bridge.
I think the prudent approach is to assume that ALL boats, including your 222, can be capsized. As they are rolled, almost all boats reach a point of vanishing stability where they would sooner be upside down than right side up. Unlike the 12 foot boat you mentioned above, boats that carry ballast like your 222 should right themselves from a wind induced "knock-down". It is waves that carry risk of a capsize to a larger boat. I've read that as a rule-of-thumb you should consider any breaking wave that has a height greater than 60% of your waterline as a capsize risk. If I've done my arithmetic correctly that would be a breaking wave of 10 ft. or greater in your case. I've included a link to a photo series of a Santana 22 (which has 1200 lbs. of ballast in it's keel!) being rolled by a wave under the Golden Gate Bridge.
It is very hard to Turtle the 222
Chuck, I sail my 222 on the Hudson, where the winds are quite shifty. The Catskill mountains often block my view of on coming thunderstorms. On one occasion, a storm whipped up very quickly and produced some pretty mean, shifty gusts. I had not reefed the main. I blew over to about 35-40 degrees, but it felt like 90! I lost steerage for a few seconds and thought I was going over. The boat rounded up wind and snapped straight up. Since then I have learned it is better to reef early! I find that with the main reefed, you can go out in 20 - 25 knot wind, and still be very comfortable. My understanding is that it would take a combination of wind and wave action to knock the 222 fully over. Enjoy your 222! Lee
Chuck, I sail my 222 on the Hudson, where the winds are quite shifty. The Catskill mountains often block my view of on coming thunderstorms. On one occasion, a storm whipped up very quickly and produced some pretty mean, shifty gusts. I had not reefed the main. I blew over to about 35-40 degrees, but it felt like 90! I lost steerage for a few seconds and thought I was going over. The boat rounded up wind and snapped straight up. Since then I have learned it is better to reef early! I find that with the main reefed, you can go out in 20 - 25 knot wind, and still be very comfortable. My understanding is that it would take a combination of wind and wave action to knock the 222 fully over. Enjoy your 222! Lee
knock down
Sailing in the Gulf Islands one gusty day an inexperienced friend hugged the tiller to his chest in a huge gust and the 22 rolled till the cockpit combing was under by about 8 inches. Even the winch was under. I pushed the tiller leeward in a hurry and the boat just popped right up. I worry about broaching in big breaking waves and capsizing that way.
Sailing in the Gulf Islands one gusty day an inexperienced friend hugged the tiller to his chest in a huge gust and the 22 rolled till the cockpit combing was under by about 8 inches. Even the winch was under. I pushed the tiller leeward in a hurry and the boat just popped right up. I worry about broaching in big breaking waves and capsizing that way.
O'Day 22
The weight of my Oday22 without crew, and usless crap onboard is 2500+ I dont think that the Oday 22 or the 222 could capsize unintentionally.
The weight of my Oday22 without crew, and usless crap onboard is 2500+ I dont think that the Oday 22 or the 222 could capsize unintentionally.
ain't gonna happen
Chuck, unless you've got 20+ kts. of wind and strong breaking waves, I really doubt that the 222 will tip over past 90 degrees. Once the keel is out of the water and the sails spill all the wind, the boat will pop back up and go head to wind. If a large breaking wave hits you on your beam as you go over, there's a small possibility that the boat will go over even more, but once again, the weight of the keel will bring you right back up. (Not like a laser or sunfish where you have to right the boat)
Chuck, unless you've got 20+ kts. of wind and strong breaking waves, I really doubt that the 222 will tip over past 90 degrees. Once the keel is out of the water and the sails spill all the wind, the boat will pop back up and go head to wind. If a large breaking wave hits you on your beam as you go over, there's a small possibility that the boat will go over even more, but once again, the weight of the keel will bring you right back up. (Not like a laser or sunfish where you have to right the boat)
Mike c, Colen, Alex,, Lee, and Dave K.........
Thanks, everyone for the security. In deed sailboats have improved.. When I bought this boat this spring, I was coun-founded about the fact that there is no through hull drain, and no bilge pump nor was there ever...Now that the season is almost over I can say that there has been no reason to have either. I have enjoyed a dry bilge all season. I did get the little teak trim by the rub rail wet a couple of times and thought she was going over. I'll continue to dump the wind with the sheets or turn to windward because 50 years ago the boats I sailed would go over. I'm trying to get as much sailing in as possible because before I know it it'll be time to put her away. Good sailing everyone.
Thanks, everyone for the security. In deed sailboats have improved.. When I bought this boat this spring, I was coun-founded about the fact that there is no through hull drain, and no bilge pump nor was there ever...Now that the season is almost over I can say that there has been no reason to have either. I have enjoyed a dry bilge all season. I did get the little teak trim by the rub rail wet a couple of times and thought she was going over. I'll continue to dump the wind with the sheets or turn to windward because 50 years ago the boats I sailed would go over. I'm trying to get as much sailing in as possible because before I know it it'll be time to put her away. Good sailing everyone.
the question is
I think the question is: What the heck did the helmsman thought he was going to do? He is so close to shore, downwind, in the breakers. Wow, thank for th elink very ... interesting. a.
I think the question is: What the heck did the helmsman thought he was going to do? He is so close to shore, downwind, in the breakers. Wow, thank for th elink very ... interesting. a.
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