Calif. accident?

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Tom S

Jim "nm" means "No Message"

That is done so people don't have to waste opening a post to read anything more -- because there is none ;)
 
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Dennis

Mistakes made!

Sadly, no matter how good we think we are, we all make errors, in judgment as well as everything else! It can cost us our most valuable possession, LIFE!
 
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Clyde

Hubris At Sea

It's an unfortunate tragedy which should have been avoided. In the San Francisco paper they had another news article of this tragedy, they also had a picture taken from the beach where the survivors were rescued from. In the picture you can see a US Coast Guard 47-foot Motor Life Boat in the breaking surf looking for the missing sailor, you can see what the sea conditions were at the time. The northern coast of California, the Oregon coast and the Washington coast are dangerous in the best of times and almost suicidal in the winter time. There are almost constant winter gale warnings throughout the winter months. Sailors on the "Pacific Northwest" coast know too well that it is almost a "Death Wish" to be sailing up the northwest coast in the winter time. The "East Coasters" may believe that the "West Coasters" are being too critical, but you haven't sail in these waters in the winter time. Rescue personnel had to risk their lives savings these sailors, who should never have been sailing under these winter time conditions in a small sailboat off a "Lee Shore". The only US Coast Guard 44-Foot Motor Life Boat to ever be lost during a rescue where crew members were killed, happened in the winter time off the Pacific Northwest Coast, February 12, 1997. The US Coast Guard Motor Life Boat (MLB-44363) went out at night to rescue a dis-masted sailboat in gale condition off the Quillayute River Bar, three of the four US Coast Guard crew members were lost. That sailboat, also should not have been sailing in the winter time off the northern pacific coast. Fair Winds, Clyde http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/02/20/BAG6654OUS1.DTL
 

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Clyde I read what you posted and feel like I was

talking. Our coast has made a fair weather sailor out of me. I'll only go back out there, kicking and screaming. Did I mention, we were in 50' waves for three days? +25-25 on the GPS. Some folks call that 25' seas until they look up! Oh, and did I also mention it was August, with fair weather?
 
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Rich

I agree with you Peter

Even though Steve D's link shows possible irresponsibility I don't know how anyone could not feel sorry for victims and their family.
 
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Clyde

Deja Vu

When I read the post of the sailboat capsizing off Ocean Beach at this time of year, it was like Deja Vu. I read on another sailing forum today that the capsized 20-footer was really a Newport 30 the Canadian owner had bought in Los Angles and was harbor-hopping his way back up to Victoria BC, I don't know whether this is true or not, but it doesn't matter. On February 12, 1997 the US Coast Guard Motor Life Boat (MLB-44363) went out at night in gale conditions to rescue a dis-masted sailboat off the Quillayute River Bar, it sank and lost three of four crew members. The sailboat that MLB-44363 was trying to rescue was owned by a US Naval Officer that was being transferred from California to Washington. The US Naval Officer was harbor-hopping between incoming storm fronts to bring his sailboat up to Washington state before he had to report for duty. On November 6, 2003 a retired couple sailing the South Pacific left Kauai to head to Long Beach California. Nine hundred fifty miles north of Hawaii the retired couple's 32-foot sailboat hit a storm. The sailboat's EPIRB went off and the US Coast Guard found only the couple's empty life raft. The local newspaper indicated that the retired couple wanted to return home before the holidays to be with their family. The common thread between these three sailing tragedy is that the three sailboats were in a hurry to get to their home port, so they took a risk and sailed at the worst time of year. April 4, 1912 the HMS Titanic was sailing to New York on her maiden voyage. Both the owners and captain wanted to set a speed crossing record on her maiden voyage. That night the weather was clear, but cold. They had reports of icebergs in the area. There was no wind that night, it meant that the surface of the water was like glass and you couldn't see the waves hitting the icebergs. There was also no moon, which meant you couldn't see the moonlight reflecting off the icebergs. Most icebergs are white, but if an iceberg rolls over the white reflective surface is replaced by clear ice, which is hard to see at night. Based on these conditions, most ships in the iceberg field either stopped or reduced speed to maneuvering speed, just enough speed to maintain minimal helm control. The HMS Titanic was traveling at top speed to break a record. "When anyone asks me how I can best describe my experiences of nearly forty years at sea, I merely say uneventful. I have never been in an accident of any sort worth speaking about....I never saw a wreck and have never been wrecked, nor was I ever in any predicament that threatened to end in disaster of any sort." Captain E.J. Smith HMS Titanic Unfortunately, sailing tragedy like this has always happened and unfortunately will always happen. All four captains were highly experienced with a lot of years at sea, but once you stop believing that the sea can kill you, it will kill you. Fair Winds, Clyde http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/CalgarySun/News/2004/02/21/355446.html
 
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R.W.Landau

Wow, Should we all stay home?

Thanks for the good posts on the local articals. This is a tragedy. How many times has a situation gotten very complicated in a short period of time for you? This has happened enough times to me and yet I am very carefull that a situation does not arise, yet as a situation shows itself I try to be on top of it. This hits home to me because my family has been doing an annual trip for the past 6 to 8 years. We plan the trip not on the weather but the availability of the family. Almost every trip has had it's bad weather and it's bad situations. Our trips were a matter of: we are getting together and enjoying ourselves, what ever. We have sailed many storms, Gone agound in an channel, seen water spouts, dragged anchors ( too many times to count, this part I just can't seem to get across to the captian: El Dad), finding our way through channels at night, Blowing out my ear drum on a 14" snorkel adventure (I am a certified diver), Almost ripping off the bow sprit because of the 6' seas and a fouled anchor, The near sinking because three new bilge pumps failed at the same time the packing gland decided to part ways while 6 miles out and half way between Ft.Lauderdale and Miami, anchoring on a reef and saving someone because they did not think the current was as strong as it was..... The list is endless. I am glad that we never had that one bad situation that hurt or took someone. I think this Canadian family and friend just missed the mark.... Yes, bad planning and maybe some poor human error, it is still a tragedy. As Fred said that the weather has made him a fair weather sailor,(by experience) yet he has had problems in fair weather. I think we all have and if you haven't, it's like running aground, you will! As captians on our own little world of our boats, we should be especially carefull that we know the ability of the crew and not take them into someplace or situation that we nor they cannot save themselves. One of my greatest concerns is seeing a young family, Mom,Dad,and the three under 10 year old kids, on the boat and none is wearing a PFD. I think that if you have a responsibility such as three kids that Mom and Dad are prepared for the worst. It is not that we must live in fear but that we live with a full understanding that things get bad quick and you can't fix what you are not prepared for. OK, I'm done...:) r.w.landau
 
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