I recently bought a Cal. It is registered as a 1964 Cal and it says LOA is 25'. I was assuming it was a Cal25, but I cannot find any pics on the net that prove that it is. Most of the pics that I see are of newer models, so it could be that I am just not seeing any that are old enough to look like mine. The thing that confuses me is that my boat has an enclosed motor well and it does not have provisions for a head. As far as what I was told, there were no Cal 25's with an enclosed motor well. If anyone can recognise what model this really is...please feel free to let me know! Thanks a bunch! Michael.
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Steve
Columbia Challenger
What you have looks to be a Columbia Challenger with an extra portlight (the small one forward). I don't believe it to be a Cal at all. My folks had a Columbia Challenger when I was a young boy. The motor well is enclosed in the lazarette? Ours had a head, it was located at the front edge between the v-berths under a cushion, below the foredeck. It may have been removed. Does it essentally have a full keel with a cutaway forefoot/attached rudder? The shield emblem amidships is the emblem for Columbia Yachts. Does it have a "C" in the center?
What you have looks to be a Columbia Challenger with an extra portlight (the small one forward). I don't believe it to be a Cal at all. My folks had a Columbia Challenger when I was a young boy. The motor well is enclosed in the lazarette? Ours had a head, it was located at the front edge between the v-berths under a cushion, below the foredeck. It may have been removed. Does it essentally have a full keel with a cutaway forefoot/attached rudder? The shield emblem amidships is the emblem for Columbia Yachts. Does it have a "C" in the center?
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JB
cal 2?
You definitly don't have a Cal 25. Cal25's have three windows and look like a Cal 20 on steriods. I think you have a Columbia, or a very early Cal 24
You definitly don't have a Cal 25. Cal25's have three windows and look like a Cal 20 on steriods. I think you have a Columbia, or a very early Cal 24
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JB
Cal 2??
Michael, Go to www.cal25.addr.com/sunk/sunk.html At the end of his page he has a link; see ad click on that and you will find pictures of Cal25's 4 sale You can see what a Cal 25 looks like. Although it resembles your boat, it is quite a bit different.
Michael, Go to www.cal25.addr.com/sunk/sunk.html At the end of his page he has a link; see ad click on that and you will find pictures of Cal25's 4 sale You can see what a Cal 25 looks like. Although it resembles your boat, it is quite a bit different.
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JB
Cal2??
I take it all back...I just saw a boat like yours at Kings Harbor Redondo Beach Ca. It is definitly a Cal. Must be a very early cal 25 or 24. The cal 25's that came out later were called Mark I's Mark II's and Mark III's. They look like yours except the hulls do not taper off at the stern as much, and they have 3 windows.
I take it all back...I just saw a boat like yours at Kings Harbor Redondo Beach Ca. It is definitly a Cal. Must be a very early cal 25 or 24. The cal 25's that came out later were called Mark I's Mark II's and Mark III's. They look like yours except the hulls do not taper off at the stern as much, and they have 3 windows.
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Steve
Columbia Shield
I've been around allot of Cal's from the '60's and have to keep coming back to the Columbia shield emblem and arrow (not to mention the overall shape). All Cal's that I'm aware of in that size and of that vintage (except the early 24') had the boot stripe. Cal was not the only manufacturer of a small purely flush deck boat. There was also the Challenger and the Gladiator. This is not a Gladiator but definitely has the shape of the Columbia Challenger with the addition of the small forward window. http://www.columbiayachts.com/yachts_classic_c_challenger.html
I've been around allot of Cal's from the '60's and have to keep coming back to the Columbia shield emblem and arrow (not to mention the overall shape). All Cal's that I'm aware of in that size and of that vintage (except the early 24') had the boot stripe. Cal was not the only manufacturer of a small purely flush deck boat. There was also the Challenger and the Gladiator. This is not a Gladiator but definitely has the shape of the Columbia Challenger with the addition of the small forward window. http://www.columbiayachts.com/yachts_classic_c_challenger.html
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JB
Cal2?
Go to; oldcalyachts website. There's a picture of your boat at the bottom of page, and the questions and answers of what it is. The Consenses is..It's an early Cal 24. As far as the Cal stripe on the hull, many were removed with a new paint job. There is one sitting in San Pedro at Cabrillo Marina with the stripe still on it. go to the dock that has the old European canal sail barge, live aboard at the end, you will walk right past the cal 24 like yours that still has the biege Cal stripe.
Go to; oldcalyachts website. There's a picture of your boat at the bottom of page, and the questions and answers of what it is. The Consenses is..It's an early Cal 24. As far as the Cal stripe on the hull, many were removed with a new paint job. There is one sitting in San Pedro at Cabrillo Marina with the stripe still on it. go to the dock that has the old European canal sail barge, live aboard at the end, you will walk right past the cal 24 like yours that still has the biege Cal stripe.
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Steve
Not...
The first Cal was the "California 24" which had a doghouse design. The Cal 2-24 pictured here seems like the one above but has subtle differences; window shape, cockpit layout, subtle hull and deck shape differences, the outboard is not enclosed. In the "80"s there was another doghouse design. I don't know of any Cal that had the Columbia shield amidships. Michael, what is the hull # of your boat? Ours was #161 and we use to keep it at Watt's Landing in San Pedro during the mid '60's. It was white, just like yours. The only difference is the small sliding window that's been added.
The first Cal was the "California 24" which had a doghouse design. The Cal 2-24 pictured here seems like the one above but has subtle differences; window shape, cockpit layout, subtle hull and deck shape differences, the outboard is not enclosed. In the "80"s there was another doghouse design. I don't know of any Cal that had the Columbia shield amidships. Michael, what is the hull # of your boat? Ours was #161 and we use to keep it at Watt's Landing in San Pedro during the mid '60's. It was white, just like yours. The only difference is the small sliding window that's been added.
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Bruce Spencer
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You have a Cal 24. If it has a fixed keel, it is a Cal 2-24. I had one for several years and sailed it extensively through out the Hawaiian Islands. It's not fast but it is sea worthy and very forgiving.
You have a Cal 24. If it has a fixed keel, it is a Cal 2-24. I had one for several years and sailed it extensively through out the Hawaiian Islands. It's not fast but it is sea worthy and very forgiving.
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Steve
Still not convinced
You folks seem to be easily swayed by the addition of an extra window. Something, I might add, that is easily installed. This is not the early Cal 24 and to compare it with the Cal 2-24 one would have to ask about the lack of a rubber rub rail, boot stripe, second lower shroud, the difference in window shape, the different companionway hatch the different fore deck hatch and the addition of a lazarette. And why someone would add the Columbia arrow stripe (molded in) and shield. It would be nice to see a picture of this boat out of the water. I believe that would end this confusion once and for all.
You folks seem to be easily swayed by the addition of an extra window. Something, I might add, that is easily installed. This is not the early Cal 24 and to compare it with the Cal 2-24 one would have to ask about the lack of a rubber rub rail, boot stripe, second lower shroud, the difference in window shape, the different companionway hatch the different fore deck hatch and the addition of a lazarette. And why someone would add the Columbia arrow stripe (molded in) and shield. It would be nice to see a picture of this boat out of the water. I believe that would end this confusion once and for all.
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JB
Cal 2?
I agree with Steve after taking a closer look. There are distinct differences in the hull where it meets the deck as well as all the other things Steve mentioned. Columbia also copied very closely the Cal 20 with another model. I definetly agree, it's a Columbia.
I agree with Steve after taking a closer look. There are distinct differences in the hull where it meets the deck as well as all the other things Steve mentioned. Columbia also copied very closely the Cal 20 with another model. I definetly agree, it's a Columbia.
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jigs711
cal?
It would be nice to see more photos. It looks more like a columbia challenger 24 given the shape of the window, location of the winches, and what appears to be a logo on the side. If we could see more, might be able to tell. Also it looks just a little like a Gladiator 24, a lapworth design.
It would be nice to see more photos. It looks more like a columbia challenger 24 given the shape of the window, location of the winches, and what appears to be a logo on the side. If we could see more, might be able to tell. Also it looks just a little like a Gladiator 24, a lapworth design.
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Steve
Not a Gladiator
The underwater configuration of the Gladiator and the Challenger are similar but the Gladiator is a fractional rig where the Challenger as well as the Cal 2-24 are mast head. The Gladiator also has two lower shrouds. It has a window shape similar to the Cal, it has double windows.
The underwater configuration of the Gladiator and the Challenger are similar but the Gladiator is a fractional rig where the Challenger as well as the Cal 2-24 are mast head. The Gladiator also has two lower shrouds. It has a window shape similar to the Cal, it has double windows.
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the.vinings.@rogers.com
Cal What ???
Hi: Well I am in the same boat as Michael what due we have See attached photo, is this a Cal 2-24 or a 25 flat top? Cant find hull number and believe she was built in mid 60's. Any informaytion would be helpfull. Jack
Hi: Well I am in the same boat as Michael what due we have See attached photo, is this a Cal 2-24 or a 25 flat top? Cant find hull number and believe she was built in mid 60's. Any informaytion would be helpfull. Jack
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Jack
its a cal 2-24!
i have one just like it. mine is a 1968 cal 2-24 looks exactly the same. you can see a picture of on here: http://www.pbase.com/warthog2100/image/16906734
i have one just like it. mine is a 1968 cal 2-24 looks exactly the same. you can see a picture of on here: http://www.pbase.com/warthog2100/image/16906734
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Dan Grenier
Looks like the Cal 28 to me
Sure looks like the flush-deck Cal 28 I am inthe process of buying. I don't know anything but that the deck looks identical.
Sure looks like the flush-deck Cal 28 I am inthe process of buying. I don't know anything but that the deck looks identical.
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Steve
It's a Columbia Challenger
I grew up with a Cal 28, this is not a Cal 28. I also grew up with a Columbia Challenger. This is a Columbia Challenger with a small forward window added (a simple matter).
I grew up with a Cal 28, this is not a Cal 28. I also grew up with a Columbia Challenger. This is a Columbia Challenger with a small forward window added (a simple matter).
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jigs711
challenger
I agree with Steve. It has the Challenger logo on the side. Another giveaway is the sliding hatch--all of the Challengers had that design with a wooden hatch, cals were all fiberglass.
I agree with Steve. It has the Challenger logo on the side. Another giveaway is the sliding hatch--all of the Challengers had that design with a wooden hatch, cals were all fiberglass.
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