At what heel angle does the C22 with a swing keel stiffin up. My boat is pretty tender thru 10 degrees, and my wife tends to get nervous if I start to push it. I'd like to be able to tell her with some certainty that the boat will stabilize around 15 degrees but I'm not sure. When I sail by myself that seems about right. Thanks John
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John, on what strength wind you're sailing in, and what sails you have up. We had a SK C22 for years and sailed it all over SF Bay. One of the best thigns we did, early on, was to take lessons, one of which included sailing on our boat. The confidence it gave us in strong winds, with the instructor on board saying "This is just fine," was immesaurable. It's hard to measure heel when you're out having fun, and what do you do if you say 15 and she says "OH GOSH, it's 17 let's go back!" You need to avoid having that conversation in the first place.
Stu
John, on what strength wind you're sailing in, and what sails you have up. We had a SK C22 for years and sailed it all over SF Bay. One of the best thigns we did, early on, was to take lessons, one of which included sailing on our boat. The confidence it gave us in strong winds, with the instructor on board saying "This is just fine," was immesaurable. It's hard to measure heel when you're out having fun, and what do you do if you say 15 and she says "OH GOSH, it's 17 let's go back!" You need to avoid having that conversation in the first place.
StuIf you have a guage . . .
you will probably find that the actual degrees of heel is less than it 'feels'. When my crew starts complaining about heeling, I tell them to look at the guage. It usually reads about 8-10 degrees at that point. I would say that the boat "stiffens" up at about 20 degrees of heel. The C22 is generally not a stiff boat, but not tender either. Regards, Ted
you will probably find that the actual degrees of heel is less than it 'feels'. When my crew starts complaining about heeling, I tell them to look at the guage. It usually reads about 8-10 degrees at that point. I would say that the boat "stiffens" up at about 20 degrees of heel. The C22 is generally not a stiff boat, but not tender either. Regards, Ted
rail down, close hauled
My C-22 Mark 2 with standard laundry out stiffens when I am about 6 or 8 inches from burying the lee rail. This presumes you have taken the time to check the rake on your mast and your sidestays are taut, if you don't tune the rigging then the behaviour to wind is pretty bad, it won't point. With the headsail in very hard, bladed out to destroy some of the power, and your main boom centered by adjusting the traveller, the boat will sit close hauled, and if you are hit with a puff it will round up with weather helm and sit up. I have been totally overpowered, with the mainsheet jammed in the cleat, and my swing keel C-22 rounded up and stopped: we were standing on the vertical sides of the cockpit seats at the time, and we did not get the spreaders wet. If you are on lakes you can do this but if you are in ocean swells do not take it this far because C-22's are not beamy enough to recover from being hit with a swell while laid over, you could capsize. Usually the crew who cannot feel the boat thru the tiller and sheet, will chicken out before you are in trouble (unless you are oversailed or slammed with a swell). Put in one reef and use your 110 and have fun, pretty hard to upset them with reduced main. Once confidence builds youcan go find some limits.
My C-22 Mark 2 with standard laundry out stiffens when I am about 6 or 8 inches from burying the lee rail. This presumes you have taken the time to check the rake on your mast and your sidestays are taut, if you don't tune the rigging then the behaviour to wind is pretty bad, it won't point. With the headsail in very hard, bladed out to destroy some of the power, and your main boom centered by adjusting the traveller, the boat will sit close hauled, and if you are hit with a puff it will round up with weather helm and sit up. I have been totally overpowered, with the mainsheet jammed in the cleat, and my swing keel C-22 rounded up and stopped: we were standing on the vertical sides of the cockpit seats at the time, and we did not get the spreaders wet. If you are on lakes you can do this but if you are in ocean swells do not take it this far because C-22's are not beamy enough to recover from being hit with a swell while laid over, you could capsize. Usually the crew who cannot feel the boat thru the tiller and sheet, will chicken out before you are in trouble (unless you are oversailed or slammed with a swell). Put in one reef and use your 110 and have fun, pretty hard to upset them with reduced main. Once confidence builds youcan go find some limits.
Stability
I do not believe the C-22 has any point where its stability changes dramatically. Most of your attitude control comes from sail power. I tend to use smaller sails and not sheet as tight, with timid people on-board. In fact, a few months ago, I took a pregnant gal sailing, and we had a pretty strong wind blowing. I did manage to give her a stable ride...no throwing-up, and we didn't deliver the baby early. I love to sail with just a bit to much sail, and the rail a few inches out of the water, but this is not a good plan to keep the timid coming back for more. David
I do not believe the C-22 has any point where its stability changes dramatically. Most of your attitude control comes from sail power. I tend to use smaller sails and not sheet as tight, with timid people on-board. In fact, a few months ago, I took a pregnant gal sailing, and we had a pretty strong wind blowing. I did manage to give her a stable ride...no throwing-up, and we didn't deliver the baby early. I love to sail with just a bit to much sail, and the rail a few inches out of the water, but this is not a good plan to keep the timid coming back for more. David
Heeling
My 15 year old daughter and I were out in 15 to 20 knots of wind 130 Genoa and Main up. Put the port rail in the water a couple of times. We don't have a angleometer but I can tell you it is pretty exhilarating!! The boat sails poorly that far over though. Not very fast or responsive. I'd also like to suggest that if you in stiffer winds than normal, please have at least one if not two hatch boards in and keep the lazarette lockers locked. If you do get knocked down, the cockpit locker doors will pop open and fill with water leaving you wet and upset but hopefully with a boat.
My 15 year old daughter and I were out in 15 to 20 knots of wind 130 Genoa and Main up. Put the port rail in the water a couple of times. We don't have a angleometer but I can tell you it is pretty exhilarating!! The boat sails poorly that far over though. Not very fast or responsive. I'd also like to suggest that if you in stiffer winds than normal, please have at least one if not two hatch boards in and keep the lazarette lockers locked. If you do get knocked down, the cockpit locker doors will pop open and fill with water leaving you wet and upset but hopefully with a boat.
go on sailnet.com they have boat reviews. one review is great about stability adrian vrouwenvelder wrote it. ken
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Go to sailnrt.com. When the home page comes up look for boat check on the left and click on it. You will see listings of boat reviews by the owners. good luck ken
Go to sailnrt.com. When the home page comes up look for boat check on the left and click on it. You will see listings of boat reviews by the owners. good luck ken
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