C22 Handbook around Dallas

[Stu Jackson]

http://forums.catalina.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?p=740457&highlight=Pat Royce

Pat Royce's Sailing or Sailboat Illustrated - great little book, our first book when we bought our C22 in 1982.

 

[OldCat]

I have a simple attachment right now. Adding an effective outhaul system is a later project.

eeewYikes - I guess I am surprised at that. Esp given your knowledge and experience. I don't think the boat can be sailed really well without - at a minimum - a boom downhaul - a vang - and a good outhaul.

BTW: I don't like CD's 4:1 outhaul setup. It loads the eye in the wrong direction (across rather than along it). I set up a system from the Harken website - they show a 4:1 cascaded system that is easy and quick to build - plus it works great. I built mine for free using parts collected from years of sailing smaller boats.

Take the boom home - you can build the outhaul in less than 2 hours and it makes a BIG difference. Big, especially as the wind builds. Reef later - reef less often .

OC

 

[Bilbo]

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I think I got most of the standard rigging sorted out now. I will be trying to step the mast today or tomorrow. It hopefully goes ok. If not, I will definitely take your advice and ask a fleet for some help.

When stepping the mast, the only standing rigging that needs to be not connected at the deck fittings is the Forestay and the two forward lower shrouds. With the other 5 attached it will go up. Fasten the forestay first after raising the mast but be careful of the fact that the T-bolts on the stays can get jammed and will bend. There is also no way of knowing whether or not the stays are set to the proper length before you raise the mast.
An interesting vid here. http://youtu.be/pX9TRjBKCQ8

But I am still able to not need any mechanical assistance to step my mast.

 

[yzfr1]

eeewYikes - I guess I am surprised at that. Esp given your knowledge and experience. I don't think the boat can be sailed really well without - at a minimum - a boom downhaul - a vang - and a good outhaul.

BTW: I don't like CD's 4:1 outhaul setup. It loads the eye in the wrong direction (across rather than along it). I set up a system from the Harken website - they show a 4:1 cascaded system that is easy and quick to build - plus it works great. I built mine for free using parts collected from years of sailing smaller boats.

Take the boom home - you can build the outhaul in less than 2 hours and it makes a BIG difference. Big, especially as the wind builds. Reef later - reef less often .

OC

Thanks for the advice.

I have no problem building an outhaul system. However, do you have a link, image or illustration to how it should be built?

 

[yzfr1]

When stepping the mast, the only standing rigging that needs to be not connected at the deck fittings is the Forestay and the two forward lower shrouds. With the other 5 attached it will go up. Fasten the forestay first after raising the mast but be careful of the fact that the T-bolts on the stays can get jammed and will bend. There is also no way of knowing whether or not the stays are set to the proper length before you raise the mast.
An interesting vid here. http://youtu.be/pX9TRjBKCQ8

But I am still able to not need any mechanical assistance to step my mast.

Well if you can step your mast single handed without any mechanical assistance then that is awesome.

I have seen these videos before. I will most likely build a gin pole to help. That is when I get a few more hours to work on it in a day..

Thanks for the tips as well. I have read a lot and watched many videos on stepping the mast. I have to stop by west marine to get a few clevis pins for the toggles so i can be ready to hopefully do it today. Went out last night and thought I had everything but was lacking a few pieces of hardware (clevis pins, 1 turnbuckle..)

It gets a little frustrating thinking I have everything ready only to discover, I don't.

 

[OldCat]

But I am still able to not need any mechanical assistance to step my mast.

I wouldn't even try :cry:. I'd drop something big :cry:.

OC

 

[OldCat]

Thanks for the advice.

I have no problem building an outhaul system. However, do you have a link, image or illustration to how it should be built?

Harken 4:1 cascaded outhaul, perfect for the C22:dance::
http://www.harken.com/rigtips/outhaul.php

Vang, 4:1. Catalina Direct has kits:dance:.

Boom downhaul: at least 2:1, 3:1 better. 4:1 is best if you run lines aft - just a little more friction in the extra blocks (& if you don't have a Cunningham go 4:1).

Cunningham (optional if not racing) 4:1. Catalina Direct sells a 2:1 kit - IMHO - that is a joke. The C'Ham exists to pull MORE luff tension than the boom downhaul. The C'Ham is optional because you can always pull the boom down further than class racing rules allow if not racing.

Harken has pictures for Vang and C'Ham as well. The boom downhaul is more specific to boats like the C22 where the boom slides up and down. Otherwise you set luff tension with a ($$$:cry halyard winch.

OC

 

[Stu Jackson]

Thanks for the advice.

I have no problem building an outhaul system. However, do you have a link, image or illustration to how it should be built?

Sounded pretty much like www.harken.com

 

[yzfr1]

Harken 4:1 cascaded outhaul, perfect for the C22:dance::
http://www.harken.com/rigtips/outhaul.php

Vang, 4:1. Catalina Direct has kits:dance:.

Boom downhaul: at least 2:1, 3:1 better. 4:1 is best if you run lines aft - just a little more friction in the extra blocks.

Cunningham (optional if not racing) 4:1. Catalina Direct sells a 2:1 kit - IMHO - that is a joke. The C'Ham exists to pull MORE luff tension than the boom downhaul. The C'Ham is optional because you can always pull the boom down further than class racing rules allow if not racing.

Harken has pictures for Vang and C'Ham as well. The boom downhaul is more specific to boats like the C22 where the boom slides up and down. Otherwise you set luff tension with a ($$$:cry halyard winch.

OC

Thanks!

I have a boom vang already. I can make the outhaul, I think.

Question... On the boom downhaul or cunningham..

What is the real difference just where the line attaches, i.e. the boom versus the sail?

I see this link on harken http://www.harken.com/rigtips/Cunninghams.php
On the 4:1 Cascaded, it looks like they have top block attached to the boom? Is that correct or is the dotted line leading to the mainsail grommet actually supposed to be a line wrapped around the boom?

I don't see an example of a boom downhaul on harken or Catalina Direct.

 

[Stu Jackson]

Nope, look closely at the dotted line, it goes behind the boom, the sail and the cunningham grommet, the line goes through the grommet and then back down to the mast. That's the cunningham. For your boat, I doubt you'd need a 4:1 purchase. I used the 4:1 as shown on our C34, the blocks broke and a straight 1:1 works just fine. As far a terminology is concerned, it becomes important on a boat. A boom downhaul is different than a vang, 'cuz on smaller boats with floating booms and no fixed gooseneck, the boom downhaul does just that but only at the mast. The cunningham is not a boom downhaul, it rather pulls the luff of the sail down towards the boom and tightens the luff, instead of having to tighten the halyard when the sail is up.

 

[Ken]

outhaul

Put it inside the boom, super easy pulls straight. You also have to option on where you end it.

 

[OldCat]

Thanks!
Question... On the boom downhaul or cunningham..

What is the real difference just where the line attaches, i.e. the boom versus the sail?

As others have noted: the boom downhaul pulls the boom down. At the boom end attach the blocks to a line or shackle that goes thru the hole near the bottom of the black boom slide. The Cunningham pulls down from a grommet above the tack and below the reef tack.

I see this link on harken http://www.harken.com/rigtips/Cunninghams.php
On the 4:1 Cascaded, it looks like they have top block attached to the boom? Is that correct or is the dotted line leading to the mainsail grommet actually supposed to be a line wrapped around the boom?

The line goes through the sail to the mast on the other side - "wrapped around the boom" as you said. The block is on the line, not the boom. You don't have to run it aft unless you want to. You can use the cleats on the mast (are they standard Catalina on all years?). Another approach: my C'ham is on a hook that goes into the grommet. Then just use blocks to get the 4:1. I use a hook like this one: http://shop.catalinaowners.com/prod.php?14062

I don't see an example of a boom downhaul on harken or Catalina Direct.

CD is out to lunch on this one :cussing:. Harken does not show it because most boats don't have a sliding boom. See above for rigging tips.

All of this stuff can be rigged in many ways - individual preference - discussion - debate - many beers. But you still need it. I have a 4:1 boom downhaul because that is the purchase that the C22 racing sites I read on the web recommended it to be. Also, I reef with the sail's reef tack set on a reefing hook on the boom, so the boom downhaul is also my reefing luff tensioner and reefed you want it tight & make sure the sail's draft has not been blown aft (needed always).

Harken shows some stuff lead aft - great - but think long and hard before you do it - because you want to do it right for you and your boat and not have holes to patch up. I'd start with stuff mounted at the mast first, drilling the minimum number of holes - I did not drill any - just attached to what was already there to start with. Later I added CD's lines aft plate - a useful mounting point even if you don't lead lines aft.

I can take picts this weekend if you want.

OC

 

[OldCat]

The cunningham is not a boom downhaul, it rather pulls the luff of the sail down towards the boom and tightens the luff, instead of having to tighten the halyard when the sail is up.

Stu (& others),

IMHO - you can tighten the luff from either end of the luff. The Cunningham takes a wee bit of sail area out below it. A VERY tiny bit. Again - IMHO - the C'ham is not really needed unless you are racing C22 class and have to keep the boom above the lower measurement band on the mast. Use the boom downhaul to tighten the luff first - then C'ham if you have one

Although you could do it - I don't know why you would want to use the halyard to tighten the luff on a C22. Without lines aft this means a trip all the way to the mast. When I had downhaul and c'ham at the mast I could reach them at the mast by standing on the cooler or berths with the hatch open - kept me closer to the tiller. The wind shifts a lot around here - enough to tack the boat if I do not work fast.

OC

 

[yzfr1]

Put it inside the boom, super easy pulls straight. You also have to option on where you end it.

How does one put it "inside" the boom? Does that require a special boom? I am assuming you mean the outhaul, right Ken?

 

[yzfr1]

All useful information.

Thanks OldCat, Bilbo.

Seems like I need to get to work on these ideas.

Anyone know where I can pickup a turnbuckle besides West Marine? I needed 2 and they only had 1.

 

[Ken]

Sure was, tried to attach a photo but a no go. You have to make two small cuts in the boom one for the line to exit the other at the end where a small block attaches. The blocks are inside the boom.

Here are a couple of pictures of mine

 

[yzfr1]

Sure was, tried to attach a photo but a no go. You have to make two small cuts in the boom one for the line to exit the other at the end where a small block attaches. The blocks are inside the boom.

Here are a couple of pictures of mine

Awesome thanks for the pictures...

Is it hard to cut into the boom like that?

What tool did you use?

 

[Ken]

Hard? Not at all, use a small drill and a file, bit of patience...

 

[shipwreck66]

What lake are you on? and forget about the sailing clubs "giving" useful information, they tend to be tight lipped. There are several people on here around DFW who might be able to assist. On your rigging, keep it simple.

 

[yzfr1]

What lake are you on? and forget about the sailing clubs "giving" useful information, they tend to be tight lipped. There are several people on here around DFW who might be able to assist. On your rigging, keep it simple.

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