Greetings! I am looking to trade up! I have my eye on a 1972 C and C 35. Is anyone familiar with these boats? (I tried the archives, but cannot seem to limit my search enough to get less than 6,000 hits!) How do these boats sail? We are looking for a good performer, but do not want to sacrifice some comfort for a week or two. Are they comfy? Any trouble spots? While the broker insists it is a Mark I, it has many of the length, weight, etc characteristics of a Mark II. I'd love to hear from someone who knows or has link ideas. Thanks in advance, Richard
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C and C
If you're interested in a C&C you should visit http://www.sailnet.com/ & join their C&C e-mail list. Very knowledgeable group & a lot of C&C 35 owners. There are also about 10 owner reviews for C&C 35's on that site. sam
C&C 26 Skye II Ghost Lake Alberta.
If you're interested in a C&C you should visit http://www.sailnet.com/ & join their C&C e-mail list. Very knowledgeable group & a lot of C&C 35 owners. There are also about 10 owner reviews for C&C 35's on that site. sam
C&C 26 Skye II Ghost Lake Alberta.Just found this guys site yesterday
he has a 38 c&C should be of some help if you email him.. I ownerd a 1977 28 and it was a VERY dependable boat...and fast! Good Luck Rob
he has a 38 c&C should be of some help if you email him.. I ownerd a 1977 28 and it was a VERY dependable boat...and fast! Good Luck Rob
Resources
Besides checking the Sailnet site already suggested, (including seeking out input on their "buying a boat" forum, you should try to locate a copy of Practical Sailor's Used Boat Buyer's Guide. It has a fairly in-depth article on the C&C 35 mark I as well as other makes & models. They don't generally sugar-coat anything. You could also just buy a copy of the issue the article originally appeared in, if they have it at Practical Sailor. Some boats are nice to look at because they look "right". Even if they're old & tired, they still look nice. They have nice lines and are well-proportioned. Other boats are pretty because they're polished to a high sheen. Once they lose that "like new" sheen -usually after about a season - they stop being pretty, and their proportions and lines don''t have what it takes to make them nice to look at. The C&C 35 belongs in the first group. Not only does it have a capable, seaworthy look, but they're pretty capable, seaworthy boats. I saw one for sale that had three plaques commemorating three different Newport-Bermuda races. The Mark I is simple below, with more fiberglass than some people like, but adequate space for a family or two couples to cruise without having to apologize for much of anything. The dinette provides a nice space to congregate, a double berth in port, and I believe some storage space beneath the seats. It also draws less water than the "updated" versions, and rates faster in PHRF than they do. (IMHO the later versions added more creature comforts that slowed the boats down.) The Mk I sails beautifully upwind, though the rather small main/large jib combo looks a little dated. It's ok to look dated if most of your competition is behind you. Downwind, I think the boat is a little squirrelly when the waves start to pick up beyond 3-4 feet in 20 or so knots of breeze with the chute up. The original rudder has a scimitar shape that I think may have been improved by a redesigned one. which gets rid of this squirrelly problem. The '70's C&C's generally have a reputation for being well put together. The hull/deck joint is an inward -turning flange (the strongest way to do it) that is bolted every few inches thrrough the aluminum extrusion toerail. The mast, rigging, cleats, and fittings are beefy enough to hold up to hard racing. In a boat as old as these are, there are likely to be cracks and crazing in the gelcoat. Your surveyor will be able to tell you if they're just cosmetic or whether they indicate underlying problems that might be worth fixing. (Or underlying problems that it might NOT be worth fixing.) Because they're older and have likely been sailed a lot, C&C 35 MkI's are probably less expensive than the newer versions. The fact that they draw less means you can go more places. The fact that they're faster means you can go further in a day, weekend, week, or month. The simple accommodations mean less to go wrong. Don't get excitted about lots of sails. Most of them will be best suited for raking leaves. Another caveat: some of these boats may still have the original Atomic 4 engine. If it works, (and you can keep it working), great. If it doesn't work.... expect about $5000 to replace it with a diesel. Overall, you could buy a lot less boat for a lot more money and not have one as nice as a C&C 35 Mk I.
Besides checking the Sailnet site already suggested, (including seeking out input on their "buying a boat" forum, you should try to locate a copy of Practical Sailor's Used Boat Buyer's Guide. It has a fairly in-depth article on the C&C 35 mark I as well as other makes & models. They don't generally sugar-coat anything. You could also just buy a copy of the issue the article originally appeared in, if they have it at Practical Sailor. Some boats are nice to look at because they look "right". Even if they're old & tired, they still look nice. They have nice lines and are well-proportioned. Other boats are pretty because they're polished to a high sheen. Once they lose that "like new" sheen -usually after about a season - they stop being pretty, and their proportions and lines don''t have what it takes to make them nice to look at. The C&C 35 belongs in the first group. Not only does it have a capable, seaworthy look, but they're pretty capable, seaworthy boats. I saw one for sale that had three plaques commemorating three different Newport-Bermuda races. The Mark I is simple below, with more fiberglass than some people like, but adequate space for a family or two couples to cruise without having to apologize for much of anything. The dinette provides a nice space to congregate, a double berth in port, and I believe some storage space beneath the seats. It also draws less water than the "updated" versions, and rates faster in PHRF than they do. (IMHO the later versions added more creature comforts that slowed the boats down.) The Mk I sails beautifully upwind, though the rather small main/large jib combo looks a little dated. It's ok to look dated if most of your competition is behind you. Downwind, I think the boat is a little squirrelly when the waves start to pick up beyond 3-4 feet in 20 or so knots of breeze with the chute up. The original rudder has a scimitar shape that I think may have been improved by a redesigned one. which gets rid of this squirrelly problem. The '70's C&C's generally have a reputation for being well put together. The hull/deck joint is an inward -turning flange (the strongest way to do it) that is bolted every few inches thrrough the aluminum extrusion toerail. The mast, rigging, cleats, and fittings are beefy enough to hold up to hard racing. In a boat as old as these are, there are likely to be cracks and crazing in the gelcoat. Your surveyor will be able to tell you if they're just cosmetic or whether they indicate underlying problems that might be worth fixing. (Or underlying problems that it might NOT be worth fixing.) Because they're older and have likely been sailed a lot, C&C 35 MkI's are probably less expensive than the newer versions. The fact that they draw less means you can go more places. The fact that they're faster means you can go further in a day, weekend, week, or month. The simple accommodations mean less to go wrong. Don't get excitted about lots of sails. Most of them will be best suited for raking leaves. Another caveat: some of these boats may still have the original Atomic 4 engine. If it works, (and you can keep it working), great. If it doesn't work.... expect about $5000 to replace it with a diesel. Overall, you could buy a lot less boat for a lot more money and not have one as nice as a C&C 35 Mk I.
Cored Hull
Carl asks if it has a "Cored Hull"? If it's a C&C - it almost certainly has a cored hull.
Carl asks if it has a "Cored Hull"? If it's a C&C - it almost certainly has a cored hull.
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