Buying Capri 22

kdog1

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Sep 11, 2013
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I am interested in purchasing a Capri 22. In SW Florida, I am thinking of a wing keel draft because of the shallow bays etc...
How easy it launch the wing keel? Is there an jigs or equipment to step the mast single handed... PS: I used sell Hobie 18s back in the 80s and 90s..and looking to stay a little dryer these days...
 
Jul 13, 2011
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Capri 22 MK1 659 Canandaigua Lake
Wing keel boats launch very easily if your trailer has an extending tongue and your ramp is long enough to use it. Otherwise, you can use a fixed dolly wheel and a strap to back it down the ramp. Getting it back on is a little trickier because the boat wants to settle on the bunks a bout 4-6 inches too far aft, especially if the ramp is steep.

There are several systems for raising the mast involving A-frames. They work easily with two people and reasonably well single-handed. I've done both.

The system I use has the mast fastened to the apex of the A-frame with a fixed-length line (spinnaker pole topping lift). The A-frame moves with the mast at a constant angle. That puts the tackle lower where you can get to it easily. Others use a system where the A-frame is fixed in the vertical position and the mast is hauled up to it. I think that might minimize sideways swaying of the mast while it's being raised. I like mine and they like theirs, so I'll leave it to you. I use a 4-part tackle to raise a TR mast and it's plenty of power. I have done it on the trailer and while afloat on a calm day. Both work.





It's the first couple of feet that are the toughest. You can eliminate the strain by making a very long fork out of a 12' 2x4 to prop up the mast to partially raise it. Just lean it against the transom of the boat.

Find a boat with the racing package. It's worth it.
 

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Sep 30, 2009
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Catalina Capri 22 (loved my old C-22) NorCal
I agree, the Mast-up is a huge help.

There are many options to help raise the mast - A-frames and ginpoles being the most popular. I built an A-frame this year which I modeled after an old post on this site before it went down :( . The attachment includes the description and photos from the old post along with a few changes I incorporated, shown in red. I think the whole thing cost about $40. You still need a second had to stabilize the mast (side-to-side) when raising and lowering, but it works like a charm.

If I ever get around to it, I'll take some photos and write a clear description of it. In the meantime, maybe we can encourage some other owners to start a new "Mast Raising" thread with descriptiosn of their systems. I know Aviator James had a nice video at one point.
 

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Curt

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Jun 6, 2010
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Catalina Capri 22 518 Buffalo
I pirated the Aviator James version of an A frame and it works better with less effort than any other contraption I had used over the years. I added rubber covered feet th the bottom of the frame to protect the deck. It is simple in design, as in easy to build and easy to use single handed. Hopefully he can repost the video.

I second the racing package if you can find one. even if you don't intend to race.

Cheers,
Curt
 

HERSH

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Nov 21, 2012
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Catalina Capri 22 http://www.chelseayacht.org
Well, the easiest way to get a mast up, is with the help of friends. If you can, join a yacht club. You are guaranteed to have more then enough help. If you keep it at a marina I am sure that there will be other sailboat owners who will help you, and in turn you will help them.

The long tongue makes it easy to launch your boat, assuming the ramp is in decent shape and has a pitch steep enough so that when your car/truck wheels are in the water, the boat can be floated off.

I have a wing keel and standard rig. I cannot speak for those with the tall rig and fin keels.

Hershey
 
Jul 2, 2013
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How are you guys connected at the mast? I have a similar setup, but with a gin pole instead. I'm connected to the mast by the jib halyard which makes the lift more difficult at that angle. It looks like you're tied in near the spreader bars. Do you have something mounted there and keep a line attached permanently?
 
May 3, 2008
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Catalina Capri 22 Half Moon Bay
Mattw79 said:
How are you guys connected at the mast? I have a similar setup, but with a gin pole instead. I'm connected to the mast by the jib halyard which makes the lift more difficult at that angle. It looks like you're tied in near the spreader bars. Do you have something mounted there and keep a line attached permanently?

In the 3rd still photo before the video starts you'll see the block attached to the "bale" at the spreader.
It is permanently attached at that point since you can't get to it once the mast is raised.
The other end is a quick disconnect from the pulley at the top of the A-frame in the 2nd photo.

After raising the mast...
The A-frame gets dropped and I disconnect the turn at the top A-frame pulley.
(about the 3:30 point in the video)
I loop that turn around the cunningham-cleat and then cleat the working end there as well.
(about the 4:00 point in the video)

Hope this helps!
 
Jul 9, 2013
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Have you considered using the pole topping lift to attach the block (instead of on the bale at the spreader)? Then just pull it all the way in and cleat it off. Then - when up and forestay is connected - you can lower the topping lift and unhook your block.

Just a thought...

Jerry
 

kdog1

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Sep 11, 2013
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Wow! Thanks for all the excellent feedback. I live in SW Florida and looking to sail in Charlotte Harbor and Pine Island Sound area. I am considering the Cat22 or the Capri 22. I like the shorter fixed keel of the Capri.
 

kdog1

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Sep 11, 2013
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Wow! Thanks for all the excellent feedback. I live in SW Florida and looking to sail in Charlotte Harbor and Pine Island Sound area. I am considering the Cat22 or the Capri 22. I like the shorter fixed keel of the Capri.
 
May 3, 2008
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Catalina Capri 22 Half Moon Bay
jerrymlewis said:
Have you considered using the pole topping lift to attach the block (instead of on the bale at the spreader)? Then just pull it all the way in and cleat it off. Then - when up and forestay is connected - you can lower the topping lift and unhook your block.

Just a thought...

Jerry

...yep, you could certainly skin the Cat (alina) that way!
 
May 3, 2008
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Catalina Capri 22 Half Moon Bay
BTW kdog1...

You'll be very happy with a Capri 22!!!
There's not another boat on the market that I'd trade her for!
 

HERSH

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Nov 21, 2012
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Catalina Capri 22 http://www.chelseayacht.org
I would not recommend the Catalina 22 over the Capri 22. The Capri 22 is a far better sailing boat. No one ever uses the cute little tables and galley in the Catalina 22. All that stuff adds to the cost and weight of the boat and is of no use.

Hershey
 

shnool

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Aug 10, 2012
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WD Schock Wavelength 24 Wallenpaupack
Listen to the folks here... they aren't selling you a line... the Capri 22 is a much better sailing boat than the Catalina 22. Other than the "swing keel," the Catalina 22 has NOTHING on the Capri 22. Well that and getting used sails for the Catalina 22 is probably easier.

Performance wise, the Capri 22 is, faster, has more sail controls, has more sail area, is more stable, and has more cockpit space! That doesn't even include the options of the racing package or the tall rig!
 
May 3, 2008
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Catalina Capri 22 Half Moon Bay
I'm sure you've seen the ad for GRACE ALONE...
She looks to be a beautiful specimen!!
If it was closer to me...I'd buy her!
 

Kunzig

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Jul 3, 2013
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KDog1, She is for sale, she is a sweet boat and I'm hoping she doesn't go anywhere for a year maybe two... if you know what I mean.

Her trailer, that is one year old, came from the florida dealer down there - cost me $350 to have here rolled up here (not a part of my sale price).

I HAVE TO SAY, the Capri looks better, Sails much better, and the wing keel is a dream. It is strong and when you put her aground to clean the hull the water is only up to your hips, when you step down from the ladder, making it a dream to work on! There is an older Catalina22 that docks just down from me, it is embarrassing how I sail circles around(fly past) that Catalina 22. An old 25 as well. I'm thinking the the C22 owner is about to make me an offer. When I passed him last... he never thought (or did he?) that I could hear his conversation. So I may be getting a call from him.

James, when I read your note above about Grace Alone, it scared me, I forget she is up for sale. This is emotional - these little boats win our hearts. And, they are perfect when compared to the 27 and 30 footers. Less money, less /simpler maintenance, less for the dock fees and packed with performance.
 
Jul 13, 2011
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Capri 22 MK1 659 Canandaigua Lake
A couple more fine points that I've learned:
1. I use the spinnaker topping lift to attach the mast to my pivoting A-frame. If you don't have one, you could figure out how to throw each end of a line over each spreader and run the ends through the blocks on the fixed A-frame system so you could un-reeve it when you're done raising.

2. If you use a line from the mast, you must tie it off to the mast, not through the turning blocks to the deck cleats. If you tie to the deck, you'll introduce a twisting force that will make your mast base move. Then you'll have to take it all down and re-bed the plate. Don't ask me how I know this.

3. The cost of a simple A-frame is less then the cost of the beer needed to do it by brute force and friends. If you're using friends, make sure the bow is tied down and the trailer is hitched to the truck. A couple of 200# guys standing at the back of the cockpit 5' behind the axle could get pretty exciting otherwise.

4. If you are planning to commute to your sailing grounds, there are more sophisticated mast handling rigs on the internet that control the side sway. I'd go that route if I did this more than once a year.
 
Sep 30, 2009
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Catalina Capri 22 (loved my old C-22) NorCal
kdog1 said:
Wow! Thanks for all the excellent feedback. I live in SW Florida and looking to sail in Charlotte Harbor and Pine Island Sound area. I am considering the Cat22 or the Capri 22. I like the shorter fixed keel of the Capri.
Hershey said:
I would not recommend the Catalina 22 over the Capri 22. The Capri 22 is a far better sailing boat. No one ever uses the cute little tables and galley in the Catalina 22. All that stuff adds to the cost and weight of the boat and is of no use.
Well, you're in the Capri 22 owners forum, so you're going to get a lot of great advice about why you should buy a Capri. Of course, I concur!!! Last year, I sold a 1981 Catalina 22 and moved on up to the East Side when I purchased a 1988 Capri 22. So, of course, I am the most qualified person to give you advice!!!

Other than length, they are very different boats. Here's my two cents (as you can see from my user name, I don't get on my boat nearly as much as I'd like so take this advice for what it's worth). The Capri is much more fun and easier to sail. I say fun, because it is noticeably faster. Easier, because it's easier to get moving in light winds. As much as I liked the Catalina 22, it was like sailing a dump truck compared to the Capri.

There is very little difference in launching a wing-keel Capri 22 or a swing keel Catalina 22. My wing keel sits about 3 inches higher on the trailer than the C-22. Both launch easily with a 7-1/2 foot tongue extension which is common for both trailers. The keel guide on my current trailer actually makes the Capri actually easier to launch and retrieve. Oh, and I love not having to worry about maintaining the swing keel pivot bolt, winch, cable, or volcano tube. The single best feature of my Capri??? No holes in the bottom! The second best feature? I can't forget to lower the swing keel!!! All C-22 make this mistake multiple times.

shnool said:
...the Capri 22 is, faster, has more sail controls, has more sail area, is more stable, and has more cockpit space!
Shnool nailed the reasons I made the switch - more sail controls and more cockpit space. It turned out to be cheaper for me to sell the C-22 and buy the Capri than it would have been to add all-lines-led-aft, jib downhaul, and other sail controls that I wanted to add to an otherwise spartan C-22. The Capri 22 cockpit can easily accommodate 5 adults while the C-22 was tight with 3.

Both are great boats, but the Capri is better. Ultimately, it comes down to what you (and your crew) want to do with the boat. One area that the C-22 may have an advantage is in initial stability. The C-22 hull has more form stability. To use the technical term, the C-22 is a little less "tippy" than the Capri when your crew moves around the boat. Is it a big deal to me? No. To my wife? Yes. I stress a little because the Capri is very stable, nothing like a dingy. That said, the Capri likes a little more heel when sailing to weather, whereas the C-22 likes to sail a little more flat.

Finally, if you plan to cruise and overnight a lot, then the slower, less fun to sail C-22 is worth considering. If you are going to spend most of your time daysailing, the Capri is definitely the right choice. Oh, I never used that dinette in the C-22 either!!!