Butyl Tape

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Jul 8, 2011
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Catalina 30 Sidney B.C.
After reading mosts of the posts on line on different forums and also being in the RV industry I am having a hard time understanding the (using in the real world) properties of butyl tape for marine as opposed to marine butyl.
After reading most posts I am wondering whether most people are confusing RV PUTTY tape with the better RV BUTYL tape.
I have been using RV butyl tape for an awful long time and even on my own rv's and find no degredation in its qualities .Even after removing broken windows for replacement after time the butyl is still sticky and plyable and doing a good job .
Can anyone help explain this big difference to me ?
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,985
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Reply #64 in Maine Sail's Bed It with Butyl post on Musing with Maine Sail in Forums/Featured Contributors says:

Black is very, very messy. There are also different grades of butyl and some are messier than others. Some are only intended for sealing RV roofing and have a high solvent content and thus tend to "bleed" when heated in the sun which black does more so than gray. The higher quality taped bleed less and make less mess in the sun.

I thought I remembered more, but perhaps it was in other followup posts, or further down in that post, but I just got to it on page 4. I'll let you keep looking.

Perhpas if you don't get an answer here, go to that post (http://forums.catalina.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=117172) and ask there so Maine Sail will see it right away.

Good luck.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
There are vast differences in butyl tape. Some you buy on the net is not even butyl at all but rather a water soluble putty tape. I have had three or four customer send me a rolls they bought advertised as "butyl" that melted in water. I have no idea what it is but it is not butyl. It rips instead of stretches and melts in water..not good.

One guy even emailed me a video which I will try and find.

If you buy a roll that is not from me at least buy a genuine glazing butyl. It has to meet some minimum glazing industry standards and the RV or roofing stuff does not. While not the same as the stuff the boat builders used to use it will be far better than many of the cheap RV tapes or roofing tapes of unknown origin or make up. RV advertised butyl it is often of poor quality and can continue to "bleed" and is also often not even butyl. These are usually high solvent tapes made to be messy gummy stuff for jamming in roof cracks on RV's. You really can't buy this stuff based on price alone, as I found out.

I buy direct from the manufacturer in multi-pallet skids and pay more for the good stuff than re-sellers four times removed from the manufacturer are selling the cheap stuff for.

I spent six months evaluating butyl tape before I found one that met standards I felt were suitable and comparable to the older stuff the builders used to use. With EPA regs changing all the time this was difficult. Not too wet or solventy, enough durometer/harness, but not too much, and very, very stretchy & flexible an a wide working temp range. When I found it the only problem was that it was not made in gray, only black. Black can be very, messy, trust me my prots lights were bedded with NFM's black stuff and it is horrible....

The big problem with RV tapes is that the quality is all over the map and I found after putting them side by side it is kind of like going to Vegas. This is what forced me into sourcing some known quality stuff for the boating community.

Much of the RV stuff I found is now produced offshore and the quality and consistency was all over the place, a real crap shoot. Tracking back the manufacturers led me to some interesting finds. Some of the stuff you are buying the manufacturer is selling for $0.45 - $0.65 roll and uses "fillers" to get the price down as purer butyl rubber is absolutely not cheap.. Some is really wet/solventy, some is really soft with little density, some lacks the elasticity and some failed my cold weather testing. I ordered about 16-20 different rolls / brands of RV tape and about half was absolutely unacceptable and the other half could possibly work ok for a while but was still not as good as a quality glazing tape.

Some of it stretched less than an inch in sub 20 degree weather and some went 6 inches but none stretched as long or as far as the best performing stuff or stuck to parts as well. One roll I had, of "unknown" quality, got hard and brittle just sitting in my barn. I have a roll of quality tape I bought in 1998 that I show customers who pick up at my house.. Still not much different than it was in 1998 other than sticking to the backing paper a little more. One roll I ordered of eBay was foam rubber not butyl this despite the picture and description on ebay describing it as butyl tape.

While you can certainly get lucky I found that after buying over 40 different rolls/brands only about four or five were products I would be willing to use on a regular basis. That is a pretty dismal ratio and less good than simply going to Vegas.. Just like Polyurethane sealants such as 4200, 5200, Sikaflex etc., of which there are hundreds of "brands", people use the good ones in the marine environment because they work well and are time tested and proven.

Also butyl is only another tool in the shed for bedding and all the other products still have a place and, I still use them depending upon the situation.

All that said I have a friend who bought some pretty poor quality butyl and its been three years and it is still not leaking, so the prep counts for a lot. I honestly would not have given this stuff three weeks. He's going to rebed it once it leaks so now we are curious to see how long it lasts..

Bottom line is if I have to put my name on it it's going to be good stuff....

These are a few pics of from guys who bought RV stuff on-line and later bought the stuff I now sell.

On-Line RV tape sold as "butyl rubber tape":



Bed-It Tape:



I know the tape on our 33 year old CS is still preventing leaks, over 80% of the boat is un-rebedded, and this is the closest product I could find that that.

If you're happy with what you have and it works then stick with it. I just can't really say how long it may last as the qualities of "butyl tape" are all over the map.....
 
Jul 8, 2011
704
Catalina 30 Sidney B.C.
Thanks for the reply The putty tape ion the first few pictures are what we call up here in Canada putty tape and the stretchy sringy stuff is pure butyl, that being said up here we can also by a hybrid which is half and half.
For the last 10 years all i have ever used is the stringy stuff and it is only used for beddying windows and installing vents and I do not even have to seal with sealant after that .....all because of good prep
By the way do you ship to Alberta or BC
 

MrUnix

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Mar 24, 2010
626
Hunter 23 Gainesville, FL
I would love to get the tech. sheet for your Bed-it tape so I could compare it to some other stuff out there and know what to look for, but I don't want you to give away your secrets either ;)

I found some stuff at the local JD Sanders RV store; "Tacky Tape" by Schnee-Morehead. According to the technical specs, it is a 100% solids butyl tape with a working temperature range of -40F to 200F. Sold as a 1" wide 30 foot roll for about $15 IIRC (light gray in color). Probably not as good as the Bed-It tape, but it seems to be a quality butyl product and I haven't had any problems with it over the years. Specs say it has over 1000% elongation, completely impervious to water, non-staining, non-cracking, non-chalking, with no wash-off or flow (sag) and permanently flexible.

Maybe I got lucky :dance: And maybe after I finish this roll I'll pick up some Bed-It and see how it compares. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it), this stuff goes a long way.. so it may be quite some time before I use up the roll I have now.

Cheers,
Brad
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Thanks for the reply The putty tape ion the first few pictures are what we call up here in Canada putty tape and the stretchy sringy stuff is pure butyl, that being said up here we can also by a hybrid which is half and half.
Sadly the stuff in the pictures, at least according to the manufacturer, Hengs, is Trimmable Butyl - 180, they also sell a "putty tape" but that stuff, they ensured the customer, was in-fact their butyl product not their putty tape.


For the last 10 years all i have ever used is the stringy stuff and it is only used for beddying windows and installing vents and I do not even have to seal with sealant after that .....all because of good prep.
Good prep is 90% of most jobs...!

By the way do you ship to Alberta or BC
I do..
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,553
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
There are vast differences in butyl tape.
Thanks Maine:

I've been watching this conversation for a while now. I recently purchased a badly neglected Rhodes 22 and was thinking I'd try butyl tape on this restoration job..

I've bookmarked your link for when I'm ready for that stage of the restoration.
 

pafb19

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May 23, 2011
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Oday 19 and 28 Satellite Beach Fl
Butyl Tape and Give a Mouse a Cookie

Have an O'Day 28 and was a day away from rebedding my genny tracks with butyl tape when I read Maine Sails comments regarding the "right type of butyl tape". Now I'm having second thoughts about the tape I purchased. Tape was purchased at an RV dealer, came in a coiled roll, and the tape itself is gray and quite sticky. Thoughts anyone?
Second issue, and its along the lines of the Childrens Book "Give a Mouse a Cookie" - If you take up the genny track your going to want to paint the non-skid. After much reading and research I pretty much have narrowed my paint to Interlux. Thoughts on using their two part with non-skid additive or should I use the one part with additive. Thanks in advance.
 
May 31, 2007
763
Hunter 37 cutter Blind River
The two part will way outlast the one part. I like to shake the non-skid on with a big pepper shaker while applying the first coat.
 

Ajay73

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Jun 11, 2011
253
Catalina 1980 C27 Meinke Marina on Lake Erie
I've used both the two part(used to be called Interthane Plus, I believe) and one part Brightside. Two part is tougher but working wiith it is much more difficult. Need to use it in the right temp/humidity conditions and need to get in on in kind of a hurry before it starts to set up. I remember having to watch closely for sags but on a deck that shouldn't be a problem. I just use the one part for decks. Looks really good and holdls up well..
 
Sep 2, 2009
339
Hunter Vision-32 New Hamburg, NY
Butyl Tape / Marykate On&Off

Hey Maine .. I've got your butyl tape and used it mounting my swim ladder .. now the question is ... the mounting hardware is in a trough that collects water and has a wonderful growth of green stuff ...

I'm thinking about using On&Off in the trough and was wondering if I will destroy the butyl by doing so ....

Thanks!

Ron
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Hey Maine .. I've got your butyl tape and used it mounting my swim ladder .. now the question is ... the mounting hardware is in a trough that collects water and has a wonderful growth of green stuff ...

I'm thinking about using On&Off in the trough and was wondering if I will destroy the butyl by doing so ....

Thanks!

Ron
I would try bleach/water first as it sounds like you have some mold? The acid should not harm it. When working around anything metal use it sparingly and rinse quickly....
 
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