Brewer's Yacht Haven West Demolished

[Soundbounder]

It's officially all gone!
Brewer's Yacht Haven West in Stamford, CT has been demolished.


Building and Land Technology, which owns the 14-acre boatyard that had sat at the tip of the South End, near Dyke Lane and Bateman Way, received a demolition permit on December 14 and another on December 27, to raze a total of 14 building structures on the site, according to the city’s buildings department.

http://boatinglocal.com/news/stamford-ct-boatyard-demolished.html

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/new...demolishes-boatyard-2498739.php#ixzz1jLLHdwCC

 

[Shoaldrafter]

Highrise condos coming ...

It's officially all gone!
Brewer's Yacht Haven West in Stamford, CT has been demolished.


Building and Land Technology, which owns the 14-acre boatyard that had sat at the tip of the South End, near Dyke Lane and Bateman Way, received a demolition permit on December 14 and another on December 27, to raze a total of 14 building structures on the site, according to the city’s buildings department.

http://boatinglocal.com/news/stamford-ct-boatyard-demolished.html

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/new...demolishes-boatyard-2498739.php#ixzz1jLLHdwCC

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High rise condos coming, with this location, starting at $1 million.

Ed K

 

[Dave602]

Tried the same thing here in Norfolk Va. Demolished a boat yard and large maintenance facility to build luxury Condos. Developer went bust and now there is a spit of land with structural pilings in the ground for buildings that will never get built. It's been for sale a couple of years now.

 

[MrBill_FLL]

This was the rage in Florida last few years... tax law changed to allow proper appraiser to value the land at its potential value, not its current value (as a working boat yard).

Which pretty much forced all the mom and pop places to sell or pay outrageous taxes.

 

[Water Runner]

This was the rage in Florida last few years... tax law changed to allow proper appraiser to value the land at its potential value, not its current value (as a working boat yard).

Which pretty much forced all the mom and pop places to sell or pay outrageous taxes.

Always pissing on the little guys

 

[Soundbounder]

Always pissing on the little guys

In this case, Brewer's can hardly be called a 'little guy'....they own 20+ marinas from New York to Maine. Then again, I guess it is all relative; they are little compared to Building & Land Technology

 

[Soundbounder]

Column by Angela Carella in the Stamford Advocate:

Stamford is set up for a showdown with its biggest developer and one of its largest property owners, Building and Land Technology.

The Norwalk company is remaking a chunk of the old industrial South End into Harbor Point, a neighborhood of high-end rentals with waterfront views. It's a project developers have attempted for 30 years.

During that time city officials have insisted that, however the South End is remade, one thing must remain -- a working boatyard, a messy place where boats are put in, hauled out, scraped and painted; where holes in hulls are repaired and propellers and engines are fixed out of water; where sails are rigged and boats can be pumped out, fueled up, washed and stored for the winter.


http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/loc...lder-in-battle-over-2570126.php#ixzz1jiI1U200

 

[Water Runner]

Hey why not, functionality over looks any day!

 

[shemandr]

ya gotta hand it to Pavia who is sticking to his guns - "It has to have a working boatyard!"

 

[tkanzler]

The developer knew the conditions of the zoning approval, and (from where I sit) has and is working to knee-cap it. It's not a new technique by any stretch.

 

[AtlanticAl]

I saw this in Florida years ago, when they had the housing boom. Marinas closing up, and the land becoming condos. what i dont understand about it, is that the boats use water, houses use land, why can the two not exist within the one complex. Kip Marina, on the clyde in scotland, did exactly that, they existed as a marina for many years, then when the house price boom happend, they built condos all round the marina, and many of the boat owners bought the condos, Largs marina, on the same river, did it a different way, by developing the marina with bars resturaunts and shops, I dont know who made the most money, but Largs marina became the most successfull, and busiest.

 

[Soundbounder]

I saw this in Florida years ago, when they had the housing boom. Marinas closing up, and the land becoming condos. what i dont understand about it, is that the boats use water, houses use land, why can the two not exist within the one complex. Kip Marina, on the clyde in scotland, did exactly that, they existed as a marina for many years, then when the house price boom happend, they built condos all round the marina, and many of the boat owners bought the condos, Largs marina, on the same river, did it a different way, by developing the marina with bars resturaunts and shops, I dont know who made the most money, but Largs marina became the most successfull, and busiest.

It is the boatyard which would still be left out.


Here's a PDF of the Harbor Point plan

http://construction.org/clientuploads/Macleod.pdf

 

[MrBill_FLL]

DOCKminiums is what happened to the mom and pop's during the boom.
and the grandiose plans for luxury resorts.... many thankfully never built.

I can't say I blame the owners...

 

[Soundbounder]

City orders developer to halt construction on boatyard site
South End: Zoning Board tells Harbor Point developer to halt construction on boatyard site


Read more: http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/new...alt-construction-on-2682536.php#ixzz1kT581Lfu


The city's Zoning Board will tell the developer of Harbor Point to halt construction at a contested 14-acre boatyard site in the South End that is part of a redevelopment plan.
"Close it up, chain it, gate it, don't go back to it until you come back to us with a plan," said Tom Mills, the board's chairman at a meeting late Monday.

Board members unanimously voted to approve a draft resolution that orders property owner and developer Building and Land Technology to cease all construction activities on the property, including the removal or deposit of soils, until the board has received and approved an application to redevelop the site.

The finalized version of the resolution that was issued on Tuesday also stipulated BLT must provide the board with a timeline within 30 days for the site's remediation, which requires various state permits. Afterward, the developer must report to the board every two weeks as well as provide the board with copies of its communications with the state Department of Energy and Environmental Protection

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/new...developer-to-halt-construction-on-2682536.php

 

[CarlN]

Guys, we're being way too tough on this developer. Thanks to Soundbounder's posting of the development plan, I now see that this developer not only can do away with the need for a boatyard but also the lines we need today to tie up our boats. It appears that we will be able to pretty much park our boats like a car and they will sit there until we return. They did draw in fenders but cleats, moorings, anchors -- all a thing of the past. And there are no signs of dinghies to get to shore from the parked boats. Maybe we just walk on the water.

 

[FourPoints]

Guys, we're being way too tough on this developer. Thanks to Soundbounder's posting of the development plan, I now see that this developer not only can do away with the need for a boatyard but also the lines we need today to tie up our boats. It appears that we will be able to pretty much park our boats like a car and they will sit there until we return. They did draw in fenders but cleats, moorings, anchors -- all a thing of the past. And there are no signs of dinghies to get to shore from the parked boats. Maybe we just walk on the water.

Except you'll notice that only works for power boats, there isn't a single sailboat pictured in those plans...

 

[kenn]

Thanks for that brochure link. I consider such conceptual renderings as "realty porn". It seems that EVERY waterside development has to have nautical clip-art like purty boats (...check!), seagulls (...check!) and always at least ONE sailboat, pleasantly heeled, usually about 50' from shore (...check!)... and no facilities for the care and feeding of them.

In Toronto there's a stretch of out of the way city waterfront (Cherry Beach) where a number of modest boat clubs have existed for many years. Developers are currently drooling over the under-utilized industrial brownlands behind this area, and the fate of these small clubs was for a while uncertain.

 

[Freedom77]

This was the rage in Florida last few years... tax law changed to allow proper appraiser to value the land at its potential value, not its current value (as a working boat yard).

Which pretty much forced all the mom and pop places to sell or pay outrageous taxes.

The reverse happened in California in the '70's. Land was taxed at it's "Highest and Best" use and little old ladies were losing their homes becuase the property taxes were so high. Along came Prop 13 which was voted in and froze taxes until the house was sold and the property reassessed at sale. On the other hand when L.A. County built Marina Del Rey in the '60's, worlds largest small boat harbor at the time, they said the land would all be for public use. have ya been there? There is a tiny beach and the launch ramp part of which is taken up by dry storage rental. Everthing else is Ex Pen Sive!! How do you tell when a politician is lying? Answer: His mouth is moving

 

[Soundbounder]

An update:


After weeks of mounting pressure, the developer of Harbor Point announced for the first time at a public hearing this week that it would build a working boatyard as part of its development in the South End.

"Harbor Point is committed to having a working boatyard for Stamford," said John Freeman, a lawyer and spokesman for developer Building and Land Technology, on Monday night before a packed crowd at Turn of River Middle School.

It was the first time Freeman publicly used the term "working boatyard" in describing his firm's redevelopment plans. In December, BLT razed a 14-acre working boatyard, Brewer's Yacht Haven, without zoning approval.

Up until recently, the developer had only promised to replace the boatyard with a "full-service marina" that would not be able to perform out-of-water repairs nor service boats longer than 50 feet.


http://boatinglocal.com/news/stamford-ct-to-retain-working-boatyard.html

The definition of "working boatyard" seems open to interpretation

 

[tkanzler]

Having stated that they will build a 'working boatyard', the City/DOB/Planning Commish. should require that no other work will be allowed unless and until the 'working boatyard' is built and running.

Won't happen, of course, but given the developer's penchant for saying whatever gets the doors open, Stamford should stop it at just a crack while it can.