Brand New Sailor and First-Time Catalina Owner... Help Needed

Feb 3, 2026
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Catalina 1984 catalina 30 Mark 1 Sausalito
with everything else you're facing, one easy option would be to get cheap wet cell deep cycles from Costco until you work the rest out.

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AGMsare wrong choice for boats.

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Thank you I bookmarked everything you linked here.

Any recommendations for cheap wet cells to pickup? Cranking amps for the m25 say about 800 so I'm assuming anything with 1000 cc amps will be fine.
 
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May 17, 2004
5,958
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
AGMsare wrong choice for boats.
That’s a little more black and white than my perspective. Certainly for cruisers that don’t often get the chance to bring their batteries to 100% they present lots of challenges and will probably not last long. For my use case, and many similar ones, they could be better. Our boat sits on a shore charger most of the time so there’s no partial state of charge issues. We anchor out a few times a year and they deliver as needed then. In the meantime we don’t have to water them or worry about them at all. Our first set for the house bank lasted about 10 years, and we’re still on the original engine and thruster banks after 11 years.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,181
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
That’s a little more black and white than my perspective. Certainly for cruisers that don’t often get the chance to bring their batteries to 100% they present lots of challenges and will probably not last long. For my use case, and many similar ones, they could be better. Our boat sits on a shore charger most of the time so there’s no partial state of charge issues. We anchor out a few times a year and they deliver as needed then. In the meantime we don’t have to water them or worry about them at all. Our first set for the house bank lasted about 10 years, and we’re still on the original engine and thruster banks after 11 years.
Simple answer: if you spend your time where shore charging IS available, then why spend 2 to 4 times the $$ for batteries?

David, your example is fine, while I understand about the watering issue. For this OP's case, though, it is an unnecessary expense at this stage of HIS electrical journey.:)
 
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Feb 26, 2004
23,181
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Thank you I bookmarked everything you linked here.

Any recommendations for cheap wet cells to pickup? Cranking amps for the m25 say about 800 so I'm assuming anything with 1000 cc amps will be fine.
AC, you do NOT need a "start" battery to start your engine. Buy two Group 31 deep cycle wet cells. That's all you need
 
Feb 3, 2026
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Catalina 1984 catalina 30 Mark 1 Sausalito
AC, you do NOT need a "start" battery to start your engine. Buy two Group 31 deep cycle wet cells. That's all you need
I have read group 27 is what fits under the navigation station on the mark 1. Your saying 31s will fit if so then I will go get group 31s instead of the 27s
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,181
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
I have read group 27 is what fits under the navigation station on the mark 1. Your saying 31s will fit if so then I will go get group 31s instead of the 27s
NO! If there are physical limits on your C30, then those are reality. I know you "read" about it, have YOU measured the space YOURSELF?

The Grp 31 recommendation was based on "biggest bang for your buck." Grp 27 will work for you electrically.
 
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Feb 26, 2004
23,181
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
NEVER buy ANY batteries from WM. They are rebranded and also slapped with ridiculous extra cost.

Yes, AGMs are also ridiculously expensive, and as my earlier links pointed out, not so great for cruising boats and totally unnecessary for always plugged in boats.

Please, just get two wet cell deep cycle batteries that will fit in your boat. I have been starting my M25 with my deep cycle wet cells for 27 years. NOT AGM.
 
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Feb 3, 2026
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Catalina 1984 catalina 30 Mark 1 Sausalito
NEVER buy ANY batteries from WM. They are rebranded and also slapped with ridiculous extra cost.

Yes, AGMs are also ridiculously expensive, and as my earlier links pointed out, not so great for cruising boats and totally unnecessary for always plugged in boats.

Please, just get two wet cell deep cycle batteries that will fit in your boat. I have been starting my M25 with my deep cycle wet cells for 27 years. NOT AGM.
Thank you sir
 
May 17, 2004
5,958
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
Simple answer: if you spend your time where shore charging IS available, then why spend 2 to 4 times the $$ for batteries?
We use West Marine AGM’s, which are relabeled Deka / East Penn batteries. They’re $420, compared to $260 for their flooded batteries. We priced out the regular Deka ones from other non West Marine sources and they could be found for a couple dollars less than the WM prices, but with a sale WM can be better. They’re not a “premium” AGM, but they’re also nowhere near 2 to 4 times the cost, and for us the extra 60% is worth it for being zero maintenance, compatible with our boat’s sideways battery configuration, and lower self discharge over the winter. I’m certainly not saying they work better for everyone, just that we’re happy to have them.
 
May 17, 2004
5,958
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
David, I understand, for YOUR use case they have advantages For THIS OP's case, they just don't.
That could be. My point was just about the absolutist statement that they’re not right for (any) boat, especially for any future passersby of the thread.
 
Apr 5, 2009
3,226
Catalina '88 C30 tr/bs Oak Harbor, WA
See red text inside your quote for answers to each question.

Hey everyone, first-time poster here.

I just picked up an '84 Catalina 30 Mark 1 and I’m working on getting her ready for the Bay. Since I’m both a new owner and a new sailor, I’m trying to be as thorough as possible. I really want to go over every inch of the boat before I take her out—I’d much rather find an issue at the slip than have a "learning moment" out on the water. Welcome to the club. I have had my 88 C30 TR/BS for 27-years and am still in love.

I’m getting close to the end of my initial checklist. The main tasks left are the standard engine maintenance (oil, fuel filter, and separator), but I’m also going to inspect the steering quadrant and cables. I also need to move the oil pressure gauge from the dinette area—no idea why it was put down there—back to the instrument panel in the cockpit where it belongs. It is probably there because there is no place on the engine panel. The original panel for the M35 did not have an oil pressure gauge. It only has a low oil pressure light and alarm busser.

I’ve attached a photo with a label "This?" showing a component with two hoses coming out of the top. One hose goes under the sink to an anti-siphon loop, and the other end of that loop is just a cut hose laying in the engine bay. Right near it is a thru-hull with a matching piece of cut hose attached (the valve is closed). I cannot see any photo with "this" on it. From the description, it sounds like you are talking about the hose from the heat exchanger [which is the gray cylinder with the bolted end cap in photo 2 under the wire for the oil pressure gauge] The vented loop carrys the discharge seawater from the heat exchanger to a vented loop next to the sink and then drops down to water injection port on the mixing elbow. This is the 1.5" iron pipe that connects the exhaust manifold to the water lift muffler [I think this is what you are calling the upside-down sink]. This hose is critical for cooling the exhaust before it goes into the muffler.

The previous owner had no idea what it was for and just left it. I don't think it's the raw water intake, as there’s another thru-hull right next to it that goes straight to the engine (and I’ve confirmed water is discharging from the exhaust). Still, seeing a cut hose attached to a thru-hull makes me nervous, and I’d love to know what this system originally did before I try to re-plumb it. There is a thru hull just to port of the rear engine access panel behind the muffler. This is used to drain the galley sink.

I’ve run into a few other mystery items and some corrosion I can’t quite identify (photos attached). If anyone can tell me what I’m looking at, I’d appreciate it. Also, for the corroded parts: do these look like they just need a wire brush and some inhibitor, or should I be looking at a total replacement? The red thingy with three heavy wires going to it is a diode battery isolator. It receives the current from the alternator and sends it to the house battery and the start battery without needing to change the battery selector switch. The small relay [four wires connected to it] which is on the port side of the exhaust manifold above the starter motor is a glow plug relay. This is a very nice upgrade that ensures that the glow plugs recieve enough current and voltage to get hot enough to start the engine. I am not seeing the corrosion you are mentioning so I do not see anything that is unusual in that regard.

The previous owner let both AGMs sit and die completely. My jump pack got the engine started for the Inspection, but I haven't been able to bring them back to life. I’m trying to decide if I should just drop $1k on new AGMs or finally do the LiFePO4 conversion for the house bank since I already have the lithium batteries, solar panels, and a controller. My main hang-up is how to keep an AGM starter battery while running the house bank on Lithium, and the best way to handle charging both at the same time. I have 560Ah of LFP battery for my house bank and love it so I would always sat go lithium. Seeing the battery isolator, you are probably already set up adequately for a split AGM start / LFP house. That is what I have although I upgraded the diode isolator to an ArgoFET isolator which eliminates the problem of the 0.7v drop across the diodes. LFP and AGM or FLA have very similar charging needs and as long as they are isolated for loads, can very happily be charged together.

Please ignore the "ungodly" wiring in the photos—it was like that when I got here! I’m planning a full cleanup with Blue Sea bus bars and proper crimps, but for now, I’m just focused on making her safe enough to sail. I’m saving the heavy lifting—like the full rewire and engine detailing—for the haul-out later this year. (My wife and I tried to reglaze the portlights, but the frames are just toast. At least it's not a rainforest inside anymore, but they still weep a bit.) One way to seal the old aluminum ports is to eliminate the aluminum. Many Mk1 owners have removed the ports and cut new acrylic lenses that are glued to the outside surface of the cabin top. They end up looking more like the Mk2 fixed ports.

Anyway, sorry for the long-winded first post. I’m a little nervous getting this out there, but I’m looking forward to your responses and any constructive criticism you have for me!



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Apr 5, 2009
3,226
Catalina '88 C30 tr/bs Oak Harbor, WA
Thank you Sir, Do you have any Idea what the red thing is in my 2nd to last picture? It attaches directly to the alternator. then some Amcore wire that runs back to my electrical panel?
Given the size of the wires and the fact that it is connected to the alternator, it looks like a diode battery isolator. It will work just fine to keep your start and house batteries separated although there are better ways to do that like the ArgoFET 200-2 isolator.
 
Apr 5, 2009
3,226
Catalina '88 C30 tr/bs Oak Harbor, WA
Its the third picture It isnt the best as it only shows the corner of it. I’m going to the boat this weekend to try and figure out where the other hose goes. It’s attached to what can best be described as an upside-down icebox in the engine bay. So far, I’ve only found where one side goes, which is the anti-siphon valve, leading to a cut hose next to the thru-hull. I will see if the other end connects to the heat exchanger

What is the best way to remove an old hose from the plastic valve attached to the thru-hull without risking breaking it and having water start dumping into the boat? I’ll post more pictures this weekend when I’m back at the boat
The best way to remove and old hose is with a knife. make a slit in one side for the length of the barb. It is just not worth the effort of trying to get it loose when you will be replacing it anyway.