Bow cleats
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There has been discussion about mid-rail cleats but I don't recall any about adding bow cleats. I never found the sampson post to be a problem. Spring lines usually go on the toerails, not the sampson post. Some of the owners have added cleats to the toerails. It requires a standoff block so that you can get the line around it. Just another toe stubber that I never bothered with. I use a heavy snap shackle with two lines for the spring. Then I can place it anywhere that makes sense for the slip that I occupy. Eliminates a lot of chafe too. You could add cleats on the toerail near the bow but they would not line up with the chocks. Chafe would be a problem. I suppose you might put them on the outside of the toerail. Of course anything connected to the toerail cannot be heavily loaded like a sampson post.
Maybe you have not extended your bow roller like many of us. Then the anchor shank might be in the way. I'll add a picture so people can see what we are talking about.
Maybe you have not extended your bow roller like many of us. Then the anchor shank might be in the way. I'll add a picture so people can see what we are talking about.
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Gee, I thought all 37Cs came with bow cleats - maybe mine were added by the PO. I also have breast cleats amidships. No problem using my bow cleats with the anchor locker door open or closed. I try to take some pictures later this week. Today its 36 Fairenheit, raining and blowing 45 knots - not a good day for pictures!
So Jim, about where are the bow cleats mounted? And do you also have a sampson post? Maybe the newer boats switched?
I have an 83 37c with a custom bow roller from a PO. The 2 bow cleats are very well attached to the stainless. I just need a snubber or two to complete the arrangement. I also have amidships cleats,not sure if these are original though. They are bolted onto the inside toe rail.
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Attached pictures to illustrate.
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That might be the original arrangement on an '83. But the stainless plate and the cleats are not. And to bolt those cleats where they are meant that the anchor locker was cut out. There is no way you can get to that point of the bow without taking out at least a part of the anchor locker. Net result looks really good.
Bow Cleats on my '83
Ed,
From memory, my bow cleats are located about 2/3 of the way aft along either side of the anchor locker hatch. I believe they are 8" Herrschoff pattern, chrome plated bronze. I have two more of the same cleats on either side at the widest point of the beam. I also have the bollard or sampson post on the bow. The cleats all look pretty original to me (judging from the wear on the chrome plating), so if they were added, it was early in the boat's life. I have always used the bow cleats for the mooring pennants and they have been through a couple of hurricanes, so they must be well installed. I will try and take some pictures the next time I am down at the boat yard.
Ed,
From memory, my bow cleats are located about 2/3 of the way aft along either side of the anchor locker hatch. I believe they are 8" Herrschoff pattern, chrome plated bronze. I have two more of the same cleats on either side at the widest point of the beam. I also have the bollard or sampson post on the bow. The cleats all look pretty original to me (judging from the wear on the chrome plating), so if they were added, it was early in the boat's life. I have always used the bow cleats for the mooring pennants and they have been through a couple of hurricanes, so they must be well installed. I will try and take some pictures the next time I am down at the boat yard.
The sun was shinning this AM so I nipped down tho the boat yard and took some pictures of the mooring cleats on my 1983 37C. I don't know if the cleats were factory or installed by the PO. They work very well. In fact I only use the sampson post as an auxillary place to tie off. Most of the time I have the anchor lashed to it, keeping the anchor in place in the roller. The midships cleats are very usefull for spring lines.
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PO removed chocks on our boat, but I could replace, I'm sure. Looks easier to me than cutting into bulwark from inside, which was my next thought. See cellphone pic attached.
New stainless plate approach also looks good. PO had 2 toy anchor rollers spot welded to small plate. Can't use proper anchor with toy rollers.
New stainless plate approach also looks good. PO had 2 toy anchor rollers spot welded to small plate. Can't use proper anchor with toy rollers.
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I remounted my bow cleats
Greetings, if you can beleive this, the PO had 'dock' cleats on the bow. I hunted around for some that had the same bolt pattern, which ended up being some stainless steel SeaRay cleats. I know, it's almost sacraligous to have put a powerboat part on a sailboat, but they worked and no one else can tell. I used some simple stainless steel backing plates, crawled up under the anchor locker from the vberth and it worked. The PO mounted them between the bulwark and anchor locker hatch, much like one of the photos in this thread shows. The chocks were already there, so it looks like it's factory made. Now, I plan on ripping out the sampson post and putting in a windlass, I think I can find one that will fit. The chore then is to put a chase way to lead the chain down with enough drop to pull everything down, and then make a weep hole down into the bilge or put in a bilge pump up there, not sure which. If you think the bow cleats won't hold in a storm, take the chain and shackle it around the mast, It that breaks, you're going to need to do a lot of work to every other part of the boat anyway, if not a complete disaster. Thanks, Renasci.
Greetings, if you can beleive this, the PO had 'dock' cleats on the bow. I hunted around for some that had the same bolt pattern, which ended up being some stainless steel SeaRay cleats. I know, it's almost sacraligous to have put a powerboat part on a sailboat, but they worked and no one else can tell. I used some simple stainless steel backing plates, crawled up under the anchor locker from the vberth and it worked. The PO mounted them between the bulwark and anchor locker hatch, much like one of the photos in this thread shows. The chocks were already there, so it looks like it's factory made. Now, I plan on ripping out the sampson post and putting in a windlass, I think I can find one that will fit. The chore then is to put a chase way to lead the chain down with enough drop to pull everything down, and then make a weep hole down into the bilge or put in a bilge pump up there, not sure which. If you think the bow cleats won't hold in a storm, take the chain and shackle it around the mast, It that breaks, you're going to need to do a lot of work to every other part of the boat anyway, if not a complete disaster. Thanks, Renasci.
My 1980 has an identical setup, either factory or dealer installed when new.
I do not have breast cleats. I have spring lines with shackles for attachment to the toe rails. I cast off the dock end and coil the lines on the lifelines. I am going to be installing breast cleats though, sometimes it's a pain to deal with this arrangement.
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