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RoadTool

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Feb 11, 2006
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Vc 17 Biolux or not ?

I have used Vc Offshore in the past and am going to Vc 17 this spring what is the consensus on Biolux , is it advantageous or hype ?
 
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Maine Sail

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Feb 6, 1998
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Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
The Extra Does Not Adhere As Well

For three seasons I used Micron CSC Extra (I think it is now just called Extra) and had flake off everytime I hit my boat with the pressure washer at seasons end. Although I had virtually no growth I always hit it with the pressure to clean the waterline area, prop & shaft etc.. When I purchased my new boat the dealer recommended I switch to Ultima SR. When I asked why they said adhesion! I never really thought about it until that point. They then showed me two boats that had been comissioned the previous year, by them, done with Extra, at the owners request, and 10+ boats done with Ultima SR. None of the SR boats had any flake off and both of the Extra boats did. ALl boats were brand new and comissioned the same way using 3 applications of Petitt wax remover and sanded with 80 grit. It made my switch to Ultima very easy and it works just as well if not better but they are both very good. Ultima gets the edge for staying on the boat!
 
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Kevin B

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May 22, 2004
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Other CS27 Toronto
VC 17 - I'm not happy with it

I agree that VC 17 is easy to maintain and re-apply each year, but my experience (on Lake Ontario) has been that it is no better than other paints in keeping the hull free from growth on the hull. Unfortunately my boat came with VC 17 so I am stuck with it until I am prepared to do a complete hull stripping. Kevin
 
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RoadTool

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Feb 11, 2006
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Kevin another ? On Vc

Have you tried Vc 17 with Biolux , Last fall I found a good bit of fuzz with Offshore so why go to the additional effort applying . I have worked with others I know how easy 17 is .
 
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ex-admin

Final results

Final results for the Quick Quiz ending February 19, 2006: What type of bottom paint do you use? 58% Soft or ablative 24% Hard or modified epoxy 10% The cheapest I can find 08% I don't bother with the stuff
 
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Kevin B

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May 22, 2004
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Other CS27 Toronto
VC 17 with Biolux?

RoadTool, I am using VC 17M which is the fresh water version that everyone uses around this part of Lake Ontario. I haven't heard of a Biolux version. Isn't the Offshore for salt water? Here is my favourite VC 17 vs. ablative bottom paint story. Five years ago I bought a CS 27 after sailing on a good friend's CS 27. We are at the same YC about 6 slips apart. He has never applied new bottom paint in all the time I have owned my boat, while I put on a fresh coat of VC 17 each spring. Each fall at haulout we compare bottoms and they are about the same. If one boat is slightly better its his. And he sails on average about 10-15 days each season, while my boat is out for at least 50 days. Kevin
 
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RoadTool

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Feb 11, 2006
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Vc 17 vs. Vc 17 w Biolux

Kevin I have no idea when this Biolux thing came around , thats why Im inquiring seeking others input . Correct , Offshore is or can also be salt bottom paint , but my boat had Baltoplate , the PO had taken full advantage of its multi year capability , so I stayed with the closest paint to Balto , but when pulling in the fall , the bottom had grown a nice coat of fur , my only concern is with Vc 17 over Offshore is its scrubbability as Offshore can be scrubbed vigarously(sp)
 
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nick cameron

Chilli Powder

I got to thinking what do fishermen in the third world put on their bottoms. I'm sure they don't fork out $300 every year on the latest wizzo antifoul concoction. Someone told me that in Malaysia they use Chilli powder mixed in with any old cheap house paint. It seemed such a good idea that I am thinking of doing a test patch next haul out. When you think about it it makes sense !
 
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Kevin B

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May 22, 2004
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Other CS27 Toronto
Scrubbing VC 17M

RoadTool, VC 17M will scrub off if you clean it too aggressively, like with a stiff brush. I'll be shopping at my local chandlery this Sat. so I'll ask about the Biolux. Kevin
 
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Greg

Bottom Paint Problem

I worked my way through college at Malloy Boat Yard on Long Island and have seen many boats with good bottom paint get barnicles. The problem is that they were painted too long before launching. Read your directions. Many soft bottom paints, and most anual paints have a time limit between painting and launching. The paints will harden too much to leach there toxins, then they don't work. It's about as bad as painting and launching the same day, except with the latter the paint usually falls off.
 
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David S

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Feb 1, 2006
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oday 22 on trailer Asheville NC
THIRD WORLD BOTTOM PAINT

third world bottom paint! chile powder you say and mix with any old house paint! Is the house paint oil or latex ?
 
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Bob

Chili Powder

If chili powder worked, i can assure you all the manufacturers would be using it. Then they could sell you a cheaper and better product. Trying to find a miracle cure when it comes to boat work can be very costly and time consuming. Wait for the person that suggested it to try it first, then look at his boat 6 months later. When it comes to boats, there are no quick fixes or cheap short cuts that actually work. There is lots of things that 3rd world nations do, that is why they are 3rd world nations.
 
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RoadTool

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Feb 11, 2006
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Kevin

Thanx for also doing research , I like second opinions from those not selling products , the users personally . All I have used in the past to bottom clean is a large generic sponge , as I didnt want to remove paint just the hair that was growing , altho this season i hay resort to a long handle brush to get to the lower keel area since I dont really feel like diving down 5'.
 
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shemandr

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Jan 1, 2006
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Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
Test it!

Test it on your dink first. Its much easier to handle if it doesn't work.
 
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shemandr

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Jan 1, 2006
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Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
To paint or not to paint

On LI I have gone two seasons with VC Offshore and have not noted a great difference compared to freshly painting every year. I do scrub the bottom every couple of weeks because I race and slime forms. I don't know anyone who doesn't get slime. I think the water temp, sun angle and nitrogen availability of the water have more to do with growth than yearly application of VC. Besides I don't want that much buildup of paint.
 
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Kelly

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Feb 27, 2006
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Oday 22 Michigan
Trailering and bottom paint

The more I read the more confusing it gets! My 22' Oday purchased last season stays on the trailer 95% of the time but has multiple rough layers of bottom paint done by previous owner(s). I'd like to sand it down smooth and repaint mainly for appearance and to reduce drag. Do I need a barrier coat such as Interlux Interprotect first followed by something like VC-17? Or just apply VC-17 directly to the sanded gelcoat? Or something else? No apparent osmotic blisters that I can see so far.
 
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Kelly

Kelly- To apply VC-17 you must remove all the existing paint that is currently on the hull. If you choose to applicate with Interprotect its your chose. With no blisters, ask yourself the question; "why would I go through this process!". Yes, Im in the business of selling Bottom Paints. I ask my customers that have presented me with the exact question, Do you race. If so, put it on. I also question their abilities of being a Captain of a vessel that has this slick paint. You have to remember, "one bad tack" has wasted all the advantage that you have gained with this product. If you put the boat in irons who cares what the bottom is! Sorry about the rant! Just remember to remove all the old paint before the next step. Rob
 
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Jack Hart

Bottom paint

Hi folks, I am a "Newby" too. I guess my question is this; if the boat is on the trailer most of the time, maybe getting it in the water for a week at a time 4 to 6 times a year, would bottom paint be worth it? Am I going to get growth that a good cleaning back home won't get off in a week? Just wondering? Thanks in advance! Jack Hart Hickory, NC
 
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Rob

Kelly

Kelly- I think you have three ways to go. (1) Sand your existing painted hull smooth and apply a multi-season paint, i.e Micron CRC, Micron Extra, Ultima SR, West Marine PCA. These paints are all trailerable solutions for you. (2) Sand or strip all the old paint off the hull. This is where you can start if you want to put a barrier coat on 3-5 layers to achieve proper mils. After this is complete you can put any paint on including VC-17. What you will obtain with 17 is a slicker surface, yes its hard and has the abilities to stay effective after multible launches. Low build-up. (3) With a clean hull, apply no barrier or bottom coat paint and never worry about this unless you plan to moor or dock the boat for a season. To me the least cost and effert is option 1. I hope this helps you out. Rob
 
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Sailor Tim

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Feb 1, 2006
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Beneteau 361 Chicago
Jack

A lot depends on the conditions. I sail on the Great Lakes and my first quess is that you will probably not get much growth in a week, maybe just a little slime. But if your in the tropics in very warm water, a week might be enough to develop some growth. The warmer the water the more potential for growth. How warm does the water get in N.C.?
 
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