Bottom Painting next year
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I have heard not a word about anything like this. My first thought is that it is total "BS". However, with the state of our gummit today, nothing would surprise me. After all, we got within a very few months of needing a permit for deck runoff for our 16 footer.
I have heard not a word about anything like this. My first thought is that it is total "BS". However, with the state of our gummit today, nothing would surprise me. After all, we got within a very few months of needing a permit for deck runoff for our 16 footer.
allready so in NY at a yard
In Ny at a boat yard you have to have a state pesticide license to apply bottom paint NOW
So they would have to ban marine stores from selling paint to keep an at home person from doing it
In Ny at a boat yard you have to have a state pesticide license to apply bottom paint NOW
So they would have to ban marine stores from selling paint to keep an at home person from doing it
State or Federal
Now the question arises about jurisdiction. Is this a state or federal law. I can't imagine the state of Louisiana ever even thinking about a law like this. The coon asses down here would start another revolution, or just ignore it completely. No one has figured out yet how to make them keep their lobster traps out of the middle of a channel.
Now the question arises about jurisdiction. Is this a state or federal law. I can't imagine the state of Louisiana ever even thinking about a law like this. The coon asses down here would start another revolution, or just ignore it completely. No one has figured out yet how to make them keep their lobster traps out of the middle of a channel.
there is no Federal premption
Alan
this may be some local or state requirement but not nationwide. Also, it makes no sense as even a local or state regulation must allow sufficent time in advance of it becoming effective so as to allow folks to become "certified".
Should be easy enough to check your state legislative activity.
Alan
this may be some local or state requirement but not nationwide. Also, it makes no sense as even a local or state regulation must allow sufficent time in advance of it becoming effective so as to allow folks to become "certified".
Should be easy enough to check your state legislative activity.
'Certifiable' sounds more appropriate...
...than certifiable as it pertains to those individuals that think this is necessary. I wouldn't overlook the possibility of lowered insurance premiums if the yard institutes a policy that keeps us wacky DIY'ers out from under our vessels, as it is sooooo dangerous!
So far, so good in this neck of Lake Michigan (typed w/ fingers crossed).
...than certifiable as it pertains to those individuals that think this is necessary. I wouldn't overlook the possibility of lowered insurance premiums if the yard institutes a policy that keeps us wacky DIY'ers out from under our vessels, as it is sooooo dangerous!
So far, so good in this neck of Lake Michigan (typed w/ fingers crossed).
DYI Bottom Painting
My yard has new rules in effect for containment while sanding.
As more marinas sign on to the environmental certification agreements, it will become more costly and difficult for them to power wash the bottom. Eventually, they will have to power wash the bottoms over a self contained drainage system.
My yard has new rules in effect for containment while sanding.
As more marinas sign on to the environmental certification agreements, it will become more costly and difficult for them to power wash the bottom. Eventually, they will have to power wash the bottoms over a self contained drainage system.
Careful we are getting political here. I had some salesman come by trying to sell me lawn care
service. You know the drill, feriliser, weed killers, insecticides, I asked him if he enjoyed the Chesapeake bay? he said, "yes." So I asked him why he was selling this stuff.
service. You know the drill, feriliser, weed killers, insecticides, I asked him if he enjoyed the Chesapeake bay? he said, "yes." So I asked him why he was selling this stuff.
been my view too
Was at Ace hardware a while ago and some lady was in line talking to the cashier about birds. She was complaining that there just weren't as many birds around as there used to be. Her whole purchase consisted of insecticides, grub killers, and weed killers for the lawn
Had to laugh, early this summer I re-roofed my grandmas porch, had a pile of old shingles sitting there. A city of kentwood inspector stopped and said something about the environmental hazards of the old shingles and that I'd hear from the EPA about it. When I asked him what the difference was between the old shingles and the new asphalt they were putting down, he just kind of lost steam and walked away.
Here in michigan, when you run into something like that it's just marina policy, not a law. Most laws like that are 'feel good' laws, politicians can say they're doing something, and enviro groups can feel they've done something. The only people who are affected are the people who need it done.
Ken.
Was at Ace hardware a while ago and some lady was in line talking to the cashier about birds. She was complaining that there just weren't as many birds around as there used to be. Her whole purchase consisted of insecticides, grub killers, and weed killers for the lawn
Had to laugh, early this summer I re-roofed my grandmas porch, had a pile of old shingles sitting there. A city of kentwood inspector stopped and said something about the environmental hazards of the old shingles and that I'd hear from the EPA about it. When I asked him what the difference was between the old shingles and the new asphalt they were putting down, he just kind of lost steam and walked away.
Here in michigan, when you run into something like that it's just marina policy, not a law. Most laws like that are 'feel good' laws, politicians can say they're doing something, and enviro groups can feel they've done something. The only people who are affected are the people who need it done.
Ken.
Bottom painting
Alan I don't know about any new law however may I suggest you do your bottom sanding and painting in the fall not the spring (use a multi season type paint)and let this thing get sorted out later. I can't think of any yard that is capable of doing very boat that need sanding and or painted in the spring with out hiring more new people only to lay them off after launch all there boats ! ? If this is true the "greenies" are slowing but surely winning the war and will force a lot of people out out of boating ! Sanding and painting the bottom will now cost thousand of dollars each time it is needed. Got to Love this !!!
Alan I don't know about any new law however may I suggest you do your bottom sanding and painting in the fall not the spring (use a multi season type paint)and let this thing get sorted out later. I can't think of any yard that is capable of doing very boat that need sanding and or painted in the spring with out hiring more new people only to lay them off after launch all there boats ! ? If this is true the "greenies" are slowing but surely winning the war and will force a lot of people out out of boating ! Sanding and painting the bottom will now cost thousand of dollars each time it is needed. Got to Love this !!!
Alan
This is all BULL S#*T cause we all know that the EPA made an error years ago and then corrected themselves but the marinas were not going to let it go and now have a source of revenue and if you don't have them paint your bottom your not getting it done.
I agree that these marinas will not have all the help certified, maybe the owner but not the help.
This is all BULL S#*T cause we all know that the EPA made an error years ago and then corrected themselves but the marinas were not going to let it go and now have a source of revenue and if you don't have them paint your bottom your not getting it done.
I agree that these marinas will not have all the help certified, maybe the owner but not the help.
NY Laws
Yes I was told at my marina that bottom painting need to be certified last year in the contract that they have you sign,it was listed on same contract that NYSDEC requires yard to apply bottom paint using licensed pesticide applicators.
This spring I did see boat owners bottom painting after the yard was closed so I
did mine bottom painting too and nothing was said some even did it when open.
Years ago in other yards we were told the yard had to do all bottom painting,but
I did mine any way.
NY has more laws than most,went to a brewers yard in CT no life guard and open to 10 at night Brewers LI life guard and close at 6 PM
Yes I was told at my marina that bottom painting need to be certified last year in the contract that they have you sign,it was listed on same contract that NYSDEC requires yard to apply bottom paint using licensed pesticide applicators.
This spring I did see boat owners bottom painting after the yard was closed so I
did mine bottom painting too and nothing was said some even did it when open.
Years ago in other yards we were told the yard had to do all bottom painting,but
I did mine any way.
NY has more laws than most,went to a brewers yard in CT no life guard and open to 10 at night Brewers LI life guard and close at 6 PM
The error and don't quote me
Was that if you lease space in a yard for your boat then you the owner can paint your boat.
I know someone who did his at night and the next day was called by the yard telling him to get his boat out of the yard and don't come back and they would not put him in the water with there travel lift,talk about being a *****
And I heard of a guy that told the marina he's certified and they they said thats great but wer'e painting your bottom.
All this is great to keep the moron boat owner who dosn't pay attention to what he's doing when sanding or scraping a bottom in a marina and the yard owners are going to cover there ass and make a living
I'm in a yard that allows owners to paint there own bottom and I get mine done in the fall cause the weather is warmer than in March when I relaunch
Was that if you lease space in a yard for your boat then you the owner can paint your boat.
I know someone who did his at night and the next day was called by the yard telling him to get his boat out of the yard and don't come back and they would not put him in the water with there travel lift,talk about being a *****
And I heard of a guy that told the marina he's certified and they they said thats great but wer'e painting your bottom.
All this is great to keep the moron boat owner who dosn't pay attention to what he's doing when sanding or scraping a bottom in a marina and the yard owners are going to cover there ass and make a living
I'm in a yard that allows owners to paint there own bottom and I get mine done in the fall cause the weather is warmer than in March when I relaunch
Thanks guys
I checked with NYS DEC and they do require a 'certified applicator permit' for application of Restricted Use antifouling paints containing ingredients such as tributyltin (TBT).
For application of 'General Use pesticides' which would include most other bottom paints the following restrictions apply,
Boat owners who are not Commercial Pesticide Applicators Certified in subcategory 5D may use antifouling paints on marina property only if all of the following conditions are met:
1)the boat owner uses antifouling paints that are General Use pesticides and follows all pesticide label directions
2)the boat owner personally owns or leases the boat being painted
3)the boat owner has an agreement for boat storage at the marina and has written permission from the marina owner/operator to paint their boat on marina property or a specific clause in their contract, lease, or other form of written agreement for boat storage at the marina that allows this activity.
I checked with NYS DEC and they do require a 'certified applicator permit' for application of Restricted Use antifouling paints containing ingredients such as tributyltin (TBT).
For application of 'General Use pesticides' which would include most other bottom paints the following restrictions apply,
Boat owners who are not Commercial Pesticide Applicators Certified in subcategory 5D may use antifouling paints on marina property only if all of the following conditions are met:
1)the boat owner uses antifouling paints that are General Use pesticides and follows all pesticide label directions
2)the boat owner personally owns or leases the boat being painted
3)the boat owner has an agreement for boat storage at the marina and has written permission from the marina owner/operator to paint their boat on marina property or a specific clause in their contract, lease, or other form of written agreement for boat storage at the marina that allows this activity.
Sounds like...
a talk with the Marina management about the law is in order. If they don't agree to allow you to paint with a copper based paint (which doesn't seem to be precluded based on what you have written) then you need to find a new marina. It sounds like your current marina is out to make a buck and storage is expensive enough as it is.
On another thread somebodies marina was banning use of plastic tarps in order to force people to shrink wrap. Luckily I have a canvas winter boom tent cover that came with my boat. It is essentially how I covered my old boat with tarps just down to the toe rail.
I am glad my marina is reasonable. They haven't raised prices in years...not that $59/foot is cheap for many locations, but it is pretty good for the Boston area.
If you get stuck with paying for painting you could switch to a multi-year ablative. I have been using Petit Hydrocoat for years. I usually put a single coat on annually and just hit the leading edges a second time, however it usually looks like it could go right back in the water with minor touch ups. It doesn't provide a racing smooth surface, but that isn't a concern for me. I think I will let my bottom paint ride this year as the surveyor said the ablative is getting thick and should be allowed to wear off a bit. Wearing is easier than stripping for sure. Also, she has only been in the water since mid-July so I don't expect much growth.
a talk with the Marina management about the law is in order. If they don't agree to allow you to paint with a copper based paint (which doesn't seem to be precluded based on what you have written) then you need to find a new marina. It sounds like your current marina is out to make a buck and storage is expensive enough as it is.
On another thread somebodies marina was banning use of plastic tarps in order to force people to shrink wrap. Luckily I have a canvas winter boom tent cover that came with my boat. It is essentially how I covered my old boat with tarps just down to the toe rail.
I am glad my marina is reasonable. They haven't raised prices in years...not that $59/foot is cheap for many locations, but it is pretty good for the Boston area.
If you get stuck with paying for painting you could switch to a multi-year ablative. I have been using Petit Hydrocoat for years. I usually put a single coat on annually and just hit the leading edges a second time, however it usually looks like it could go right back in the water with minor touch ups. It doesn't provide a racing smooth surface, but that isn't a concern for me. I think I will let my bottom paint ride this year as the surveyor said the ablative is getting thick and should be allowed to wear off a bit. Wearing is easier than stripping for sure. Also, she has only been in the water since mid-July so I don't expect much growth.
RAD
can you explain what you are referring to when you said:
"we all know that the EPA made an error years ago and then corrected themselves but the marinas were not going to let it go and now have a source of revenue and if you don't have them paint your bottom your not getting it done."
What error?
can you explain what you are referring to when you said:
"we all know that the EPA made an error years ago and then corrected themselves but the marinas were not going to let it go and now have a source of revenue and if you don't have them paint your bottom your not getting it done."
What error?
Don
I looked in the archives cause we went down this road before but couldn't find it.
Years ago when all of sudden there was a new law that said owners could not paint there bottom as per the DEC but after a lot of I guess controversy they said there was error on how the law was read or understood in relation to what an owner could do on leased property.
If you look at Alan's last post it says it all and its not in the marina's best interest to give you permmision
I looked in the archives cause we went down this road before but couldn't find it.
Years ago when all of sudden there was a new law that said owners could not paint there bottom as per the DEC but after a lot of I guess controversy they said there was error on how the law was read or understood in relation to what an owner could do on leased property.
If you look at Alan's last post it says it all and its not in the marina's best interest to give you permmision
Vc-17
Mike-
Yes you can apply VC in the fall on a boat that is outside, it does not lose its effectiveness.
Mike-
Yes you can apply VC in the fall on a boat that is outside, it does not lose its effectiveness.
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