Have any of you had any experience with applying Interlux Ultra over Pettit Trinidad? Thanks for your input.
Bruce
s/v Cygnet #169
Bruce
s/v Cygnet #169
bottom paint
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also a follow up question, any of you have info on health concerns painting and sanding bottom paints containing copper?
I sand some bottom paint. Those that only contain copper some have other
poisons in them and they are the ones that are supposed to last more
than one year. I have a resporator that I paid about $75 for I wear a
paper suit that I usually buy from the marina I tape the ends of the
sleeves shut at the ancles and keep the neck tight as is reasonable.
When finished I take a cold shower so as to not open pores and then torn
on the hot water to warm up.
My Business partner lost his 31 year old son to Large cell lung
cancer about 8 years ago. The young man was admittedly pretty careless
about sanding. Some of the guys at the marina where I keep my boat are
pretty careless and they hear from me. Copper is not really all that
bad if it is not in your lungs. I might bring myself sand without the
paper suit but absolutely not with out a really good respirator. I have
seen some people not use a respirator when sand but use one to paint the
wet paint will not hurt you the thinners in it smells bad but it is
pretty harmless out doors. I have been sailing about 60 years and I
have never bought expensive paint. Last Summer I paid $100 for one
gallon of bottom paint. I will not repaint until spring 2012. I will
swim under and scrape a couple of Barnacles and moss. Probably take an
hour under water in the early fall. Good luck, Doug
poisons in them and they are the ones that are supposed to last more
than one year. I have a resporator that I paid about $75 for I wear a
paper suit that I usually buy from the marina I tape the ends of the
sleeves shut at the ancles and keep the neck tight as is reasonable.
When finished I take a cold shower so as to not open pores and then torn
on the hot water to warm up.
My Business partner lost his 31 year old son to Large cell lung
cancer about 8 years ago. The young man was admittedly pretty careless
about sanding. Some of the guys at the marina where I keep my boat are
pretty careless and they hear from me. Copper is not really all that
bad if it is not in your lungs. I might bring myself sand without the
paper suit but absolutely not with out a really good respirator. I have
seen some people not use a respirator when sand but use one to paint the
wet paint will not hurt you the thinners in it smells bad but it is
pretty harmless out doors. I have been sailing about 60 years and I
have never bought expensive paint. Last Summer I paid $100 for one
gallon of bottom paint. I will not repaint until spring 2012. I will
swim under and scrape a couple of Barnacles and moss. Probably take an
hour under water in the early fall. Good luck, Doug
I wear a full face respirator with dust filters and suitable clothing for sanding, and install the voc filters on the respirator when I paint. I think the thinners and biocides in the paint are worse for you than the copper.
I use coarse 3M abrasive pads wet to get the surface ready for paint.
I use ablative paint, but don't feel good about it, and am considering alternatives for the new boat.
Peter
#1331 'Sin Tacha'
I use coarse 3M abrasive pads wet to get the surface ready for paint.
I use ablative paint, but don't feel good about it, and am considering alternatives for the new boat.
Peter
#1331 'Sin Tacha'
I do the same for the respirator and a Tyek suit, taped shut.
My marina requires a vacuum system. I use a DA sander with a large shop vac
attached. The shop vac has a bag filter as well as the normal filter. Last
time I stripped the bottom it toasted the shop vac even with all the
filters. But that was still a lot cheaper than hiring a pro. One of the pros
did stop-by and tell me I was doing exactly what they do, that gave me even
more confidence.
I used to use a hard paint Trinidad. But now I am moored in a river basin.
At high tide it is salt and at low it is fresh water. My zincs last for a
couple years and the bottom paint now for over 3 with no growth at all,
hardly even a slim. Best of all worlds.
My marina requires a vacuum system. I use a DA sander with a large shop vac
attached. The shop vac has a bag filter as well as the normal filter. Last
time I stripped the bottom it toasted the shop vac even with all the
filters. But that was still a lot cheaper than hiring a pro. One of the pros
did stop-by and tell me I was doing exactly what they do, that gave me even
more confidence.
I used to use a hard paint Trinidad. But now I am moored in a river basin.
At high tide it is salt and at low it is fresh water. My zincs last for a
couple years and the bottom paint now for over 3 with no growth at all,
hardly even a slim. Best of all worlds.
There is a product called Peel-Away that is a chemical removal process. You paint the chemcial on then use the paper like product that is pressed onto the chemical. When you pull the covering material away, it lifts off the paint with much less mess. There will be some sanding as a part of the final clean up, but near as nasty, or so they say. I haven't tried it myself yet, but they do carry it locally and I plan on using it when I start working on the outside.
If you have a Sherman Williams store near you, they carry it; Sherwin-Williams
Ric
s/v Blue Max
#2692
If you have a Sherman Williams store near you, they carry it; Sherwin-Williams
Ric
s/v Blue Max
#2692
Peter what is your objection to ablative paint? I use soft copper and
since I have been using it I have never had to take the bottom down for
repainting. It does build up but after maybe four coats I stop hauling
and painting I use scuba gear or sometimes snorkel and scrub the bottom
either with wet sandpaper paper or abrasive scrubbys. The bottom of the
boat iscrb with a pad on a stick and floated with a gallon jug of air to
appliy pressureto the scruby on the paint. I dive to scrub the keel and
areas I missed with on deck. I don't mind doing that from an
Invironment point of view but would not do it I used paint with poisons
in them. I used to buy copper powder and make my own bottom paint for
about $30 a gallon. Doug
since I have been using it I have never had to take the bottom down for
repainting. It does build up but after maybe four coats I stop hauling
and painting I use scuba gear or sometimes snorkel and scrub the bottom
either with wet sandpaper paper or abrasive scrubbys. The bottom of the
boat iscrb with a pad on a stick and floated with a gallon jug of air to
appliy pressureto the scruby on the paint. I dive to scrub the keel and
areas I missed with on deck. I don't mind doing that from an
Invironment point of view but would not do it I used paint with poisons
in them. I used to buy copper powder and make my own bottom paint for
about $30 a gallon. Doug
Hi Doug,
I use black paint, and when I use a dockside scrubber it leaves a cloud of murky black water around the boat. I often wonder how much sea life I murder in the process!
I'm thinking of going the wet suit route, but have no experience in that area, and maybe a little apprehension too, as the water here is about 50 degrees ...
Peter
#1331 'Sin Tacha'
I use black paint, and when I use a dockside scrubber it leaves a cloud of murky black water around the boat. I often wonder how much sea life I murder in the process!
I'm thinking of going the wet suit route, but have no experience in that area, and maybe a little apprehension too, as the water here is about 50 degrees ...
Peter
#1331 'Sin Tacha'
In Washington State one can't scrub a boat in the water (maybe it is only
with ablative paint, but my marina forbids it all together). Also there are
growing restrictions to even using soap or detergent to wash topsides. For
that I went and bought a really small (cheap, $100 at HD) pressure washer
and that cleans the topsides well. I even used it to wash my canvas (thought
I'd destroy it, but it works).
When in the yard they stretch a tarp under the boat to catch anything, and I
have to clean-up the tarp before I leave. The haulout area has a catch basin
to catch anything that comes off when the hull is pressure washed in the
slings.
It is getting harder and harder to own a boat!!!
with ablative paint, but my marina forbids it all together). Also there are
growing restrictions to even using soap or detergent to wash topsides. For
that I went and bought a really small (cheap, $100 at HD) pressure washer
and that cleans the topsides well. I even used it to wash my canvas (thought
I'd destroy it, but it works).
When in the yard they stretch a tarp under the boat to catch anything, and I
have to clean-up the tarp before I leave. The haulout area has a catch basin
to catch anything that comes off when the hull is pressure washed in the
slings.
It is getting harder and harder to own a boat!!!
Peter, I dive on my boat in pretty cold water. I don't know if it's 50
deg. or not but it's plenty cold. I get in my wet suit and pour a pot of
warmed water down the neck. The rubber suit holds the body heat and
warmth from the water. I can stay down and work for an hour. I don't
really get cold though there must be some chill as everything between
my legs shrivels up to nothing. Much to the mirth of my wife
I
bought one used for $4o.oo from a Florida dive shop after heaving to go
overboard in late November to get a line off my prop. I did have on
long underwear that was pretty much worthless. I take my boat out and
anchor as there are oyster beds all around the marina. I don't know
what copper does to oysters? If I feel I have to go to deep water I
guess I am also wondering if I should quit scrubbing the bottom.
Everybody does it in the Bahamas so that's standard practice there. I
take my boat outside the creek which relieves my conscience but still it
has to go someplace. Doug
deg. or not but it's plenty cold. I get in my wet suit and pour a pot of
warmed water down the neck. The rubber suit holds the body heat and
warmth from the water. I can stay down and work for an hour. I don't
really get cold though there must be some chill as everything between
my legs shrivels up to nothing. Much to the mirth of my wife
I bought one used for $4o.oo from a Florida dive shop after heaving to go
overboard in late November to get a line off my prop. I did have on
long underwear that was pretty much worthless. I take my boat out and
anchor as there are oyster beds all around the marina. I don't know
what copper does to oysters? If I feel I have to go to deep water I
guess I am also wondering if I should quit scrubbing the bottom.
Everybody does it in the Bahamas so that's standard practice there. I
take my boat outside the creek which relieves my conscience but still it
has to go someplace. Doug
I got two coats out of a gallon. I use cheap ablative paint if I am
using the boat enough to wash a lot of it off exposing unwetted and
fresh paint. MY thinking is that it is fine of the boat is used a
lot but if little used a better grade of paint is better since the
paint will not be washed off so a more poison paint is needed. I
have never had any success with any bottom paint on the wheel I just
dive over and clean it now and then. IF someone has a paint that
will keep the wheel clean I would like to know about it. Doug
On 12/07/2014 03:34 PM, Marcin Palacz
palacz@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
using the boat enough to wash a lot of it off exposing unwetted and
fresh paint. MY thinking is that it is fine of the boat is used a
lot but if little used a better grade of paint is better since the
paint will not be washed off so a more poison paint is needed. I
have never had any success with any bottom paint on the wheel I just
dive over and clean it now and then. IF someone has a paint that
will keep the wheel clean I would like to know about it. Doug
On 12/07/2014 03:34 PM, Marcin Palacz
palacz@... [AlbinVega] wrote: