Being a DIYer, we sought a boat yard that allowed such undertaking. Did the bottom and touched up the hull (Poly Glow)and splashed down with the intention of a deck washdown with Orpine Boat Soap and Wax. Put water to the deck and blue streaks appeared to the eyes of the most casual observer. Tried lots of elbow grease and Soft Scrub. NOTHING HAPPENED! Spoke to the yard who proceeded to inform us that this was the "norm" for boatyards. Asked if we washed the deck daily while in the yard?! NO....!!!! Contacted the insurance company after finding out that the boat next to ours DIDN'T observe the regulation of either vacuuming while dry sanding or sheeting the work area. So far the estimates coming in range from $300 and $750 to $3000 (this 3k est. included the Vasoline covering of all the aluminum on board, applying Muriatic Acid and then following up with Clorox. As livaboards, this would necessitate vacating the vessel for about 4 days of rather intensive repairs. Since the repair facility stated they wanted to do this in the water, we decided to protect the environment and NOT have that yard do the work..... ANY INPUT CONCERNING REMOVAL OF BOTTOM PAINT SANDED RESIDUAL PARTICLES AFTER LANDING ON FIBERGLASS DECKS VIA THE AIR/WIND WILL BE APPRECIATED GREATLY. In the end, the griefs of sailing/boating are NOT greater than the gratuities, just gruesome during the process of elimination or so we continue to reconcile on a daily basis. Frank
Bottom Paint DOESN'T belong on the deck topsides
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Being a DIYer, we sought a boat yard that allowed such undertaking. Did the bottom and touched up the hull (Poly Glow)and splashed down with the intention of a deck washdown with Orpine Boat Soap and Wax. Put water to the deck and blue streaks appeared to the eyes of the most casual observer. Tried lots of elbow grease and Soft Scrub. NOTHING HAPPENED! Spoke to the yard who proceeded to inform us that this was the "norm" for boatyards. Asked if we washed the deck daily while in the yard?! NO....!!!! Contacted the insurance company after finding out that the boat next to ours DIDN'T observe the regulation of either vacuuming while dry sanding or sheeting the work area. So far the estimates coming in range from $300 and $750 to $3000 (this 3k est. included the Vasoline covering of all the aluminum on board, applying Muriatic Acid and then following up with Clorox. As livaboards, this would necessitate vacating the vessel for about 4 days of rather intensive repairs. Since the repair facility stated they wanted to do this in the water, we decided to protect the environment and NOT have that yard do the work..... ANY INPUT CONCERNING REMOVAL OF BOTTOM PAINT SANDED RESIDUAL PARTICLES AFTER LANDING ON FIBERGLASS DECKS VIA THE AIR/WIND WILL BE APPRECIATED GREATLY. In the end, the griefs of sailing/boating are NOT greater than the gratuities, just gruesome during the process of elimination or so we continue to reconcile on a daily basis. Frank
Boat Yards
Frank, It is a common problem I have had in several boat yards. Try a pump up sprayer with a 50% bleach to water solution and lots of soft scrub. It will clean off eventually. Bob
Frank, It is a common problem I have had in several boat yards. Try a pump up sprayer with a 50% bleach to water solution and lots of soft scrub. It will clean off eventually. Bob
Boat Yards
Frank, It is a common problem I have had in several boat yards. Try a pump up sprayer with a 50% bleach to water solution and lots of soft scrub. It will clean off eventually. Bob
Frank, It is a common problem I have had in several boat yards. Try a pump up sprayer with a 50% bleach to water solution and lots of soft scrub. It will clean off eventually. Bob
Doesn't that just irk the heck out of you?
First time I sanded the bottom I learned the hard way. I had modified epoxy bottom paint dust all over even though the boat was completely skirted. I am glad no one was next to me because they would have experienced a similar fate to yours, since I didn't use a vacuum all the time. There was a natural updraft the lifted the dust up and out of the work area then cool damp air would let it settle down on the deck. Anyway, the stuff eventually came off, I used 3m hull cleaner and a buffer where I could. I swore to cover the deck and topsides with plastic next time after I saw the professionals in the yard prepping their projects before sanding. I have covered the deck everytime since, rolling it back if I stay on the boat.
First time I sanded the bottom I learned the hard way. I had modified epoxy bottom paint dust all over even though the boat was completely skirted. I am glad no one was next to me because they would have experienced a similar fate to yours, since I didn't use a vacuum all the time. There was a natural updraft the lifted the dust up and out of the work area then cool damp air would let it settle down on the deck. Anyway, the stuff eventually came off, I used 3m hull cleaner and a buffer where I could. I swore to cover the deck and topsides with plastic next time after I saw the professionals in the yard prepping their projects before sanding. I have covered the deck everytime since, rolling it back if I stay on the boat.
Doesn't that just irk the heck out of you?
First time I sanded the bottom I learned the hard way. I had modified epoxy bottom paint dust all over even though the boat was completely skirted. I am glad no one was next to me because they would have experienced a similar fate to yours, since I didn't use a vacuum all the time. There was a natural updraft the lifted the dust up and out of the work area then cool damp air would let it settle down on the deck. Anyway, the stuff eventually came off, I used 3m hull cleaner and a buffer where I could. I swore to cover the deck and topsides with plastic next time after I saw the professionals in the yard prepping their projects before sanding. I have covered the deck everytime since, rolling it back if I stay on the boat.
First time I sanded the bottom I learned the hard way. I had modified epoxy bottom paint dust all over even though the boat was completely skirted. I am glad no one was next to me because they would have experienced a similar fate to yours, since I didn't use a vacuum all the time. There was a natural updraft the lifted the dust up and out of the work area then cool damp air would let it settle down on the deck. Anyway, the stuff eventually came off, I used 3m hull cleaner and a buffer where I could. I swore to cover the deck and topsides with plastic next time after I saw the professionals in the yard prepping their projects before sanding. I have covered the deck everytime since, rolling it back if I stay on the boat.
Seaview Boatyard "Boatyard Blues" paper
Seaview Boatyard in Seattle has a handout they provide to their customers about the "boatyard blues" - that coloration that appears on the coachroof and deck after a stint in the yard. This is what they write: In an effort to keep our clients informed and relieve the anxiety of customers whose vessels have spent time in our facility we have prepared the following information on "Boatyard Blues". "Boatyard Blues" is a term used to describe a condition brought on by the leaching of copper precipitate out of bottom paint dust particles that have fallen on gelcoat decks. Dew or rain wets this particulate and when the water evaporates, a black stain is left on the gelcoat surface; typically these stains are in the shape of water beads. Although the staining is disconcerting, it is a temporary condition, which will disappear with exposure to the elements. The most effective means of dealing with this inconvenience is to wash the stained surface with ammonia and water to remove any residual dust as soon as possible after the vessel has left the boatyard. This is most effective when the surface is dry prior to washing. Within a short period after the boat is washed, typically 1 to 2 weeks, the combination of rain and sunlight will have removed all traces of the staining which may remain. It is best not to wax over the gelcoat surface until after the stains have disappeared, this will only seal the stains beneath the wax and retard the natural bleaching effects of the rain and sun. Once the staining has disappeared the surface may by waxed, if desired. We understand that this problem can cause a great deal of anxiety for the boat owner, but please be assured that the staining is only temporary and will disappear with the ammonia wash or within 1 to 2 weeks under natural conditions. If you have any questions regarding the "Boatyard Blues" please feel free to visit the office. We will be happy to do whatever we can to address your concerns. Thank you. Mix ammonia with water at a 1:4 ratio. After swabbing the deck with the solution do a fresh water wash-down shortly after, say 6 to 8 seconds after. CAUTION: Keep ammonia mixture off Plexiglass. Notes, things that make boatyard blues worse: 1. The older the boat the more porous the gelcoat will be and therefore the greater the effect boatyard blues will have. 2. Overnight dew or rain will make it worse. Seaview Boatyard, Inc. 6701 Seaview Avenue NW Seattle, Washington 98117 (206) 783-6550 (Seaview West #)/ Fax (206) 789-0092 web: www.seaviewboatyard.com Hope this helps to calm your anxiety attack!
Seaview Boatyard in Seattle has a handout they provide to their customers about the "boatyard blues" - that coloration that appears on the coachroof and deck after a stint in the yard. This is what they write: In an effort to keep our clients informed and relieve the anxiety of customers whose vessels have spent time in our facility we have prepared the following information on "Boatyard Blues". "Boatyard Blues" is a term used to describe a condition brought on by the leaching of copper precipitate out of bottom paint dust particles that have fallen on gelcoat decks. Dew or rain wets this particulate and when the water evaporates, a black stain is left on the gelcoat surface; typically these stains are in the shape of water beads. Although the staining is disconcerting, it is a temporary condition, which will disappear with exposure to the elements. The most effective means of dealing with this inconvenience is to wash the stained surface with ammonia and water to remove any residual dust as soon as possible after the vessel has left the boatyard. This is most effective when the surface is dry prior to washing. Within a short period after the boat is washed, typically 1 to 2 weeks, the combination of rain and sunlight will have removed all traces of the staining which may remain. It is best not to wax over the gelcoat surface until after the stains have disappeared, this will only seal the stains beneath the wax and retard the natural bleaching effects of the rain and sun. Once the staining has disappeared the surface may by waxed, if desired. We understand that this problem can cause a great deal of anxiety for the boat owner, but please be assured that the staining is only temporary and will disappear with the ammonia wash or within 1 to 2 weeks under natural conditions. If you have any questions regarding the "Boatyard Blues" please feel free to visit the office. We will be happy to do whatever we can to address your concerns. Thank you. Mix ammonia with water at a 1:4 ratio. After swabbing the deck with the solution do a fresh water wash-down shortly after, say 6 to 8 seconds after. CAUTION: Keep ammonia mixture off Plexiglass. Notes, things that make boatyard blues worse: 1. The older the boat the more porous the gelcoat will be and therefore the greater the effect boatyard blues will have. 2. Overnight dew or rain will make it worse. Seaview Boatyard, Inc. 6701 Seaview Avenue NW Seattle, Washington 98117 (206) 783-6550 (Seaview West #)/ Fax (206) 789-0092 web: www.seaviewboatyard.com Hope this helps to calm your anxiety attack!
Seaview Boatyard "Boatyard Blues" paper
Seaview Boatyard in Seattle has a handout they provide to their customers about the "boatyard blues" - that coloration that appears on the coachroof and deck after a stint in the yard. This is what they write: In an effort to keep our clients informed and relieve the anxiety of customers whose vessels have spent time in our facility we have prepared the following information on "Boatyard Blues". "Boatyard Blues" is a term used to describe a condition brought on by the leaching of copper precipitate out of bottom paint dust particles that have fallen on gelcoat decks. Dew or rain wets this particulate and when the water evaporates, a black stain is left on the gelcoat surface; typically these stains are in the shape of water beads. Although the staining is disconcerting, it is a temporary condition, which will disappear with exposure to the elements. The most effective means of dealing with this inconvenience is to wash the stained surface with ammonia and water to remove any residual dust as soon as possible after the vessel has left the boatyard. This is most effective when the surface is dry prior to washing. Within a short period after the boat is washed, typically 1 to 2 weeks, the combination of rain and sunlight will have removed all traces of the staining which may remain. It is best not to wax over the gelcoat surface until after the stains have disappeared, this will only seal the stains beneath the wax and retard the natural bleaching effects of the rain and sun. Once the staining has disappeared the surface may by waxed, if desired. We understand that this problem can cause a great deal of anxiety for the boat owner, but please be assured that the staining is only temporary and will disappear with the ammonia wash or within 1 to 2 weeks under natural conditions. If you have any questions regarding the "Boatyard Blues" please feel free to visit the office. We will be happy to do whatever we can to address your concerns. Thank you. Mix ammonia with water at a 1:4 ratio. After swabbing the deck with the solution do a fresh water wash-down shortly after, say 6 to 8 seconds after. CAUTION: Keep ammonia mixture off Plexiglass. Notes, things that make boatyard blues worse: 1. The older the boat the more porous the gelcoat will be and therefore the greater the effect boatyard blues will have. 2. Overnight dew or rain will make it worse. Seaview Boatyard, Inc. 6701 Seaview Avenue NW Seattle, Washington 98117 (206) 783-6550 (Seaview West #)/ Fax (206) 789-0092 web: www.seaviewboatyard.com Hope this helps to calm your anxiety attack!
Seaview Boatyard in Seattle has a handout they provide to their customers about the "boatyard blues" - that coloration that appears on the coachroof and deck after a stint in the yard. This is what they write: In an effort to keep our clients informed and relieve the anxiety of customers whose vessels have spent time in our facility we have prepared the following information on "Boatyard Blues". "Boatyard Blues" is a term used to describe a condition brought on by the leaching of copper precipitate out of bottom paint dust particles that have fallen on gelcoat decks. Dew or rain wets this particulate and when the water evaporates, a black stain is left on the gelcoat surface; typically these stains are in the shape of water beads. Although the staining is disconcerting, it is a temporary condition, which will disappear with exposure to the elements. The most effective means of dealing with this inconvenience is to wash the stained surface with ammonia and water to remove any residual dust as soon as possible after the vessel has left the boatyard. This is most effective when the surface is dry prior to washing. Within a short period after the boat is washed, typically 1 to 2 weeks, the combination of rain and sunlight will have removed all traces of the staining which may remain. It is best not to wax over the gelcoat surface until after the stains have disappeared, this will only seal the stains beneath the wax and retard the natural bleaching effects of the rain and sun. Once the staining has disappeared the surface may by waxed, if desired. We understand that this problem can cause a great deal of anxiety for the boat owner, but please be assured that the staining is only temporary and will disappear with the ammonia wash or within 1 to 2 weeks under natural conditions. If you have any questions regarding the "Boatyard Blues" please feel free to visit the office. We will be happy to do whatever we can to address your concerns. Thank you. Mix ammonia with water at a 1:4 ratio. After swabbing the deck with the solution do a fresh water wash-down shortly after, say 6 to 8 seconds after. CAUTION: Keep ammonia mixture off Plexiglass. Notes, things that make boatyard blues worse: 1. The older the boat the more porous the gelcoat will be and therefore the greater the effect boatyard blues will have. 2. Overnight dew or rain will make it worse. Seaview Boatyard, Inc. 6701 Seaview Avenue NW Seattle, Washington 98117 (206) 783-6550 (Seaview West #)/ Fax (206) 789-0092 web: www.seaviewboatyard.com Hope this helps to calm your anxiety attack!
"Boatyard Blues" follow-up
Oooops - forgot to add some information to my last post. 1. Last year I followed the yard's instructions with the 1:4 ammonia mixture and it didn't work for me. If anything, I think it made the condition worse. One thing for sure, it certainly was worse this year than in years past. 2. Barkeepers Friend: Tried this (really diluted) and it seemed to work. Took a couple applications over a few days with a mixture in a bucket and a deck brush. Not sure if it was this or just plain old "time" that helped. In any event, our deck and coachroof is okay again.
Oooops - forgot to add some information to my last post. 1. Last year I followed the yard's instructions with the 1:4 ammonia mixture and it didn't work for me. If anything, I think it made the condition worse. One thing for sure, it certainly was worse this year than in years past. 2. Barkeepers Friend: Tried this (really diluted) and it seemed to work. Took a couple applications over a few days with a mixture in a bucket and a deck brush. Not sure if it was this or just plain old "time" that helped. In any event, our deck and coachroof is okay again.
"Boatyard Blues" follow-up
Oooops - forgot to add some information to my last post. 1. Last year I followed the yard's instructions with the 1:4 ammonia mixture and it didn't work for me. If anything, I think it made the condition worse. One thing for sure, it certainly was worse this year than in years past. 2. Barkeepers Friend: Tried this (really diluted) and it seemed to work. Took a couple applications over a few days with a mixture in a bucket and a deck brush. Not sure if it was this or just plain old "time" that helped. In any event, our deck and coachroof is okay again.
Oooops - forgot to add some information to my last post. 1. Last year I followed the yard's instructions with the 1:4 ammonia mixture and it didn't work for me. If anything, I think it made the condition worse. One thing for sure, it certainly was worse this year than in years past. 2. Barkeepers Friend: Tried this (really diluted) and it seemed to work. Took a couple applications over a few days with a mixture in a bucket and a deck brush. Not sure if it was this or just plain old "time" that helped. In any event, our deck and coachroof is okay again.
Deck or Topsides
Just wondering what you mean. Being a "sailadjuster" you would know that topsides are the vertical area of the hull between the waterline and the deck. We have seen the same problem locally at our boatyard, but only on the decks - never settles on the topsides.
Just wondering what you mean. Being a "sailadjuster" you would know that topsides are the vertical area of the hull between the waterline and the deck. We have seen the same problem locally at our boatyard, but only on the decks - never settles on the topsides.
Deck or Topsides
Just wondering what you mean. Being a "sailadjuster" you would know that topsides are the vertical area of the hull between the waterline and the deck. We have seen the same problem locally at our boatyard, but only on the decks - never settles on the topsides.
Just wondering what you mean. Being a "sailadjuster" you would know that topsides are the vertical area of the hull between the waterline and the deck. We have seen the same problem locally at our boatyard, but only on the decks - never settles on the topsides.
Deck or Topsides -- Decks and Topsides
"Topside" describes any portion of a vessel above the waterline. But most especially to the "weather decks" ... At least, that is what every sailor I knew in the USN understood. Also, "The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition" gives the same definition. Vertical surfaces are bulkheads.
"Topside" describes any portion of a vessel above the waterline. But most especially to the "weather decks" ... At least, that is what every sailor I knew in the USN understood. Also, "The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition" gives the same definition. Vertical surfaces are bulkheads.
Deck or Topsides -- Decks and Topsides
"Topside" describes any portion of a vessel above the waterline. But most especially to the "weather decks" ... At least, that is what every sailor I knew in the USN understood. Also, "The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition" gives the same definition. Vertical surfaces are bulkheads.
"Topside" describes any portion of a vessel above the waterline. But most especially to the "weather decks" ... At least, that is what every sailor I knew in the USN understood. Also, "The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition" gives the same definition. Vertical surfaces are bulkheads.
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