So, last year, our first year with our O'Day 25, and I let the yard do the bottom paint. We were out of town with a very sick relative. This year I just did the bottom paint, but I have a question. Do I bother to bottom paint the centerboard? I don't know if the yard did it last year or not, the lower edge seems to be painted, and so are the sides to the trunk, but there is some growth in the slot on both sides of the board. Should I just clean it out and hope for the best, or should I get the yard to lift the boat higher onto stands and drop the board for a real paint job. I estimate that raising the boat to do the work would cost $100 or so, given past estimate for changing the centerboard pennant. If this is true, it would run me $120 for the paint and misc. materials for the job PLUS $100 to lift the boat, when I could have just spent the same duckets for the yard to do the work. Also, what's the suggested way to "move" the stands so I can paint the whole bottom? Get an extra stand, place it next to the one that I want to move and do a quick swap? Suggestions? Comments, the boat goes in in about a week and it will be in Boston Harbour until late September. Geof s/v Day-O
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John Dawson
Real paint job
Sounds like the yard gave you the quick and dirty paint job, not even dropping the board or sticking a messy brush up the slot. Shame on them. Was it on a trailer at the time? Any swingkeeler ought to be set high enough on stands to lower the board for inspection and painting in the first place, why would it cost extra? The slot and keel surfaces are the last place you want barnacle build-up or grass to obstruct your access. With what they are doing, you are just going to pay them later to fix the mess they are creating in your slot. And as for the suggested way to move the stands, I don't even know a yard that will let you do that yourself; the yard sets their stands and they tell you to notify them when you are ready for them to be moved, and they do it! You ought to consider doing the painting yourself, save money, raise quality, and get intimate with your nether regions. Good sailing!
Sounds like the yard gave you the quick and dirty paint job, not even dropping the board or sticking a messy brush up the slot. Shame on them. Was it on a trailer at the time? Any swingkeeler ought to be set high enough on stands to lower the board for inspection and painting in the first place, why would it cost extra? The slot and keel surfaces are the last place you want barnacle build-up or grass to obstruct your access. With what they are doing, you are just going to pay them later to fix the mess they are creating in your slot. And as for the suggested way to move the stands, I don't even know a yard that will let you do that yourself; the yard sets their stands and they tell you to notify them when you are ready for them to be moved, and they do it! You ought to consider doing the painting yourself, save money, raise quality, and get intimate with your nether regions. Good sailing!
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Jim A
They didn't paint it because
they didn't lift it high enough. I never painted my board about the water line. I would just drop it down as low as it could go depending how high I jacked up the trailer. You don't paint your boat above the water line. Just keep it up when you cosk the boat. Jim past SJ-21 ower
they didn't lift it high enough. I never painted my board about the water line. I would just drop it down as low as it could go depending how high I jacked up the trailer. You don't paint your boat above the water line. Just keep it up when you cosk the boat. Jim past SJ-21 ower
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John Dawson
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Wha? Do you understand this, Geof? I think he's trying to say part of the board is above the waterline when raised, so he just paints the lower part he can reach. Since I am not real familiar with this particular hull, you will have to judge for yourself or get advice from another owner on this. I didn't paint the entire slot on my Mac-22, but just above where the slime line indicates the waterline is. I did paint the entire keel, partly because I had it out and part because it may be down long enough to gather sealife. I still think you need to get particular with your yard, they should be helping you do it right, not just easy.
Wha? Do you understand this, Geof? I think he's trying to say part of the board is above the waterline when raised, so he just paints the lower part he can reach. Since I am not real familiar with this particular hull, you will have to judge for yourself or get advice from another owner on this. I didn't paint the entire slot on my Mac-22, but just above where the slime line indicates the waterline is. I did paint the entire keel, partly because I had it out and part because it may be down long enough to gather sealife. I still think you need to get particular with your yard, they should be helping you do it right, not just easy.
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Geof
I should know better...
So, I should know better than to be unclear with my question. I ask for help and I get opinions, about me and the yard. Not the most productive discourse is it? So here I go again...... Last year the yard bottom painted my boat. They slung it in the sling, painted the centerboard, raised the board and let it dry completely before it got launched. This was in the price they offered at the time, I think it worked out to be about $300 for the job. They used an ablative paint. This year I decided to redo the bottom. Since I do want to know my boat better I am doing the bottom job myself. I have painted the bottom, all that I can reach, and now I've got the centerboard and the stands to contend with. I am still interested in others experience with yards on this issue, however I will probably just call them and ask them to lift the boat higher, and or move the stands so that I can lower the board to paint it. To those of you who wanted to know, I do keep the board up, and in this hull the entire board, even when retracted is all below the water line. In fact, I would estimate that the top of the centerboard trunk is about an inch or so below the bottom of the boot stripe. Anyway, for those of you purests out there who feel that bashing the yard is the best use of your time, please bash your own yards. For those of you who have experience with a centerboard boat that is in the water from May till October, and is maintained in the off season at a yard, please lend an opinion or experience, it will be greatly appreciated. And oh yeah, if the yard needed to put the boat on stands that were high enough so that I could lower the board at whim, then the boat itself would be an additional 3-3.5 feet higher off the hard, I think that would be unacceptable too. TIA (Thanks in advance)- Geof
So, I should know better than to be unclear with my question. I ask for help and I get opinions, about me and the yard. Not the most productive discourse is it? So here I go again...... Last year the yard bottom painted my boat. They slung it in the sling, painted the centerboard, raised the board and let it dry completely before it got launched. This was in the price they offered at the time, I think it worked out to be about $300 for the job. They used an ablative paint. This year I decided to redo the bottom. Since I do want to know my boat better I am doing the bottom job myself. I have painted the bottom, all that I can reach, and now I've got the centerboard and the stands to contend with. I am still interested in others experience with yards on this issue, however I will probably just call them and ask them to lift the boat higher, and or move the stands so that I can lower the board to paint it. To those of you who wanted to know, I do keep the board up, and in this hull the entire board, even when retracted is all below the water line. In fact, I would estimate that the top of the centerboard trunk is about an inch or so below the bottom of the boot stripe. Anyway, for those of you purests out there who feel that bashing the yard is the best use of your time, please bash your own yards. For those of you who have experience with a centerboard boat that is in the water from May till October, and is maintained in the off season at a yard, please lend an opinion or experience, it will be greatly appreciated. And oh yeah, if the yard needed to put the boat on stands that were high enough so that I could lower the board at whim, then the boat itself would be an additional 3-3.5 feet higher off the hard, I think that would be unacceptable too. TIA (Thanks in advance)- Geof
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Sean Coerse
Bottom
I keep an H240 on the Chesapeake. It is in the water April/May to September/October depending on time and wheather. I use Micron CSC which is albative. With the Micron I put two coats on and have no problems getting two seasons out of it. I gallon will cover an H240 twice leaving some extra. I lower the board as much as possible and paint all of the board and trunk I can reach while it is on the stands. Next day the yard moves the stands. They do this because they are responsible for the boat when they place it on the stands. I apply a second coat and first coat where the stands and blocks were. The night before I launch the yard puts the boat in the travel lift. I apply a second coat where the stands and blocks were. I then lower the board all the way and use a brush on a yard stick to complete the rest of the trunk. I do not have the boat put on stands high enough to lower the board all the way because it is a water ballasted boat and is not being supported by a keel. To get the boart all the way down would require the boat to be very high on stands. If you wanted you could probably dig a pit when they but it on stands to allow you to drop the board. If you talk to the yard and schedule on a slow time they are very helpful in slinging the boat every night. Especially if its a yard you use every year or keep your boat at. Good Luck Sean Coerse "Right Coerse" 98 H240
I keep an H240 on the Chesapeake. It is in the water April/May to September/October depending on time and wheather. I use Micron CSC which is albative. With the Micron I put two coats on and have no problems getting two seasons out of it. I gallon will cover an H240 twice leaving some extra. I lower the board as much as possible and paint all of the board and trunk I can reach while it is on the stands. Next day the yard moves the stands. They do this because they are responsible for the boat when they place it on the stands. I apply a second coat and first coat where the stands and blocks were. The night before I launch the yard puts the boat in the travel lift. I apply a second coat where the stands and blocks were. I then lower the board all the way and use a brush on a yard stick to complete the rest of the trunk. I do not have the boat put on stands high enough to lower the board all the way because it is a water ballasted boat and is not being supported by a keel. To get the boart all the way down would require the boat to be very high on stands. If you wanted you could probably dig a pit when they but it on stands to allow you to drop the board. If you talk to the yard and schedule on a slow time they are very helpful in slinging the boat every night. Especially if its a yard you use every year or keep your boat at. Good Luck Sean Coerse "Right Coerse" 98 H240
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Rob
My experience
Geof, My experience is that the yard will not paint the board unless asked to...and if there is extra work to be done,,ie raise the boat..they will bill you for it. The 2 center board boats I have owned,,a Rhodes 19 and a Morgan 46'..have needed special attention when painting the boards.. What I have done in the past..with the yards permission was to dig a hole under the boat and drop the board onto a board and take it from there...this fall we will attemt to raise the boat high inorder to completly "hang" the board...we need to do some cable pennant work...Our Yard is a great source of information however they are in the buisness of making a fair profit...and lets face it if they wernt then they wouldnt be there when we need them....PS be VERY carefull about moving stands!! Good Luck and happy sailing. Rob
Geof, My experience is that the yard will not paint the board unless asked to...and if there is extra work to be done,,ie raise the boat..they will bill you for it. The 2 center board boats I have owned,,a Rhodes 19 and a Morgan 46'..have needed special attention when painting the boards.. What I have done in the past..with the yards permission was to dig a hole under the boat and drop the board onto a board and take it from there...this fall we will attemt to raise the boat high inorder to completly "hang" the board...we need to do some cable pennant work...Our Yard is a great source of information however they are in the buisness of making a fair profit...and lets face it if they wernt then they wouldnt be there when we need them....PS be VERY carefull about moving stands!! Good Luck and happy sailing. Rob
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John Dawson
Bashful purist
Actually I see you did say you painted this year, so my mistake. You made it sound like they only painted the exterior trunk and no board, so the question was taken to be whether this area inside is customarily painted and who moves the stands. Even painted, there will probably be some scum, so it depends on how much ablative is still present. If they set the boat on its trunk, it prevents lowering or digging underneath. Is that the problem? My thinking was not full extension, but only high enough in the future to expose the pendant and get scrappers or swabs with paint in there. Leaving it in slings would indeed be perfect for quick annual maintenance Only trying to help...
Actually I see you did say you painted this year, so my mistake. You made it sound like they only painted the exterior trunk and no board, so the question was taken to be whether this area inside is customarily painted and who moves the stands. Even painted, there will probably be some scum, so it depends on how much ablative is still present. If they set the boat on its trunk, it prevents lowering or digging underneath. Is that the problem? My thinking was not full extension, but only high enough in the future to expose the pendant and get scrappers or swabs with paint in there. Leaving it in slings would indeed be perfect for quick annual maintenance Only trying to help...
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Geof
Thanks - If you don't ask....
You never get good answers. Digging a hole is an excellent idea. Otherwise I called the yard today to find out about moving the stands, or slinging the boat. Last year they used an ablative paint on the board, so I'm not that concerned about it getting painted again this year. The reason I painted it, using an ablative too, was to change the color of the bottom. Something I just had to do. Anyway, I'll find out what they recommend hopefully tomorrow. Oh, and last year the reason they slung hte boat was to replace the centerboard pennant, and they painted the board while it was down then. I'll let you'll know what happens. Geof
You never get good answers. Digging a hole is an excellent idea. Otherwise I called the yard today to find out about moving the stands, or slinging the boat. Last year they used an ablative paint on the board, so I'm not that concerned about it getting painted again this year. The reason I painted it, using an ablative too, was to change the color of the bottom. Something I just had to do. Anyway, I'll find out what they recommend hopefully tomorrow. Oh, and last year the reason they slung hte boat was to replace the centerboard pennant, and they painted the board while it was down then. I'll let you'll know what happens. Geof
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Geof Tillotson
Talked to the yard this morning
It turns out that they will not move the stands, but, they will paint the "holidays" when they sling the boat, and the board too. All I need to do is leave the paint with the boat. Mystery solved, thanks for your suggestions. I'm still intrigued with digging a trench under the boat to look at the centerboard, but I will let that go for another day. Geof
It turns out that they will not move the stands, but, they will paint the "holidays" when they sling the boat, and the board too. All I need to do is leave the paint with the boat. Mystery solved, thanks for your suggestions. I'm still intrigued with digging a trench under the boat to look at the centerboard, but I will let that go for another day. Geof
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