Boom placement

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Sep 3, 2012
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79 Hunter 30 Carlyle lake Il.
So after setting out on 5 different sails in 5 knot and under winds I am slowly playing with as many different sheet trim adjustments I can find just to get a good understanding of their function.

This trip I have discovered the effects of the Cunningham Ana's well as the out haul.

Trimming the lower 1/3 of the main seems to reveal that the Boom is a tad too high. My question is "how easy and common is it to adjust the boom"?
Thanks for any advice and experience regarding this

CW
 
Sep 25, 2008
295
1970 Venture by Macgregor 21 Clayton, NC
This trip I have discovered the effects of the Cunningham Ana's well as the out haul.

Trimming the lower 1/3 of the main seems to reveal that the Boom is a tad too high. My question is "how easy and common is it to adjust the boom"?
Thanks for any advice and experience regarding this
CW
Do you have a fixed or sliding goose neck. If you have a sliding goose neck it is very common to adjust the height of the boom.
 
Nov 23, 2011
2,023
MacGregor 26D London Ontario Canada
There's a good lead into a good question as well. Why a sliding goose neck? I mean my boat has one that isn't utilized. It is fixed by way of worm clamps to one spot. (I know classy. Not my doing.) I have a cunningham and use it but have never thought of lowering my boom. There is probably 5-6" of room at the top of my mast for the head of the sail to go higher....
So I know there could be more wind up there and I want to squeeze every bit of speed out of it, but, How do you keep the boom up at the mast? Reef on my topping lift? Install a stop of sorts? Or two stops one up one down?
In picture 1 you see a loop at the bottom of the goose neck in the mast. Is there supposed to be some type of down haul? If so ware does it go to?
Note; I just noticed that the boom is about 1.5" lower than factory settings, assuming the holes in the mast are abut ware the old goose neck attached.
 

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Mar 20, 2012
3,983
Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
So after setting out on 5 different sails in 5 knot and under winds I am slowly playing with as many different sheet trim adjustments I can find just to get a good understanding of their function.

This trip I have discovered the effects of the Cunningham Ana's well as the out haul.

Trimming the lower 1/3 of the main seems to reveal that the Boom is a tad too high. My question is "how easy and common is it to adjust the boom"?
Thanks for any advice and experience regarding this

CW
im my opinion, and owning two different sized macs, i think that your boom may be in the correct position, but its possible that the sail has been replaced and is too tall. it can be modified easily for a better fit.
lowering the boom, as you are asking about can be done, but is probably the wrong move and just takes away cockpit headroom that is already in short supply.....
what you may also be experiencing is a stretchy halyard. you can only draw your sail up until either, you cant pull anymore, or the halyard knot hits the block at the top of the mast. your sail will either be tight or it wont depending on if the sail is too tall for the mast. BUT, either way, if you have a poor quality halyard you will get a lot of stretch out of it when using a downhaul..... so your sail will bag at the bottom even though you have lots of head room to hoist a bit more. thats a halyard issue.
moving the boom on a 21 is not common, but then some things seem necessary to some people. all you have to do is drill another hole in the mast to where you want the gooseneck attachment to go, and move it to that location. its that simple.
there are also attachments (tracks and cars) you can buy and bolt on that will allow your boom to have a simple adjustment up and down as needed for different sails and trim. I think its unnecessary on a smaller boat but its always good to have options:)
 
Feb 20, 2011
8,051
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
Finding41, why are those band clamps there, anyway?
And yes, that ring at the bottom of the gooseneck is a perfect place for a downhaul.
 
Jun 9, 2008
1,792
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I assume you have a sliding gooseneck. If so, then the gooseneck should just hang down as far as the luff (leading edge) of the sail allows. Below the gooseneck there is usually a small SS ring welded to the gooseneck where a small line can connect, which will go down to a cleat installed on the mast somewhere between the mast base and the sail entry slot. This line is sort of a cunningham too (more later). So, after you raise the mast, you stretch out the leading edge of the sail with this line below the gooseneck to suit the wind conditions. That way your gooseneck stays in place while sailing. When you lower your sail at the end of the day, the gooseneck will fall down to the location of that cleat, which usually is installed in the slot of the mast. If you don't have one, I would add one. A true cunningham is a hole a short way above a fixed gooseneck in the sail where a line can pass through, or a SS hook, which usually also has some mechanical advantage with the use of some blocks. When pulling on the cunningham line, you tighten the leading edge of the sail, much like pulling harder on the halyard. The cunningham is used more frequently by racers and often pulling or releasing a cunningham is quicker than messing with the halyard, which might have to be put on a winch to adjust it. Well, with a sliding gooseneck, this line that goes to the cleat below the gooseneck is a way to adjust the leading edge of your sail by either loosening it or tightening it. The same effect can be done by adjust your halyard and then you can leave the line attached. When you adjust the leading edge of any fore and aft sail (like a genoa, jib or mainsail), you adjust the draft of the sail fore and aft. Tighten the sail luff and that will bring the draft forward, which is good for power and usually as the wind gets stronger, you tighten the luff. If you get a curl in the luff, then that is from too much tension and so then you must release the halyard so that goes away. For light air, you usually want the draft to go aft, so you loosen the halyard. The same is for the outhaul on your main. If your outhaul is adjustable, then you can easily tighten or lower the foot of your mainsail. By tighening it, you will then pull the draft down and by loosening it, you will ease the draft up. Again, in heavy air you usually want to tighten the outhaul and in lighter air you loosen it. Hope this helps you trim your main properly by thinking of the right stuff and not the wrong stuff.
 
Nov 23, 2011
2,023
MacGregor 26D London Ontario Canada
Yes they are band clamps. And yes I do have a boom hang. (I was calling it a cunningham..)
I will try and get the clamps off later this week and get a cleat attached to the mast to hold the boom down.
 
Sep 25, 2008
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Macgregor & Island Packet VENTURE 25 & IP-38 NORTH EAST, MD
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Call BWY and get the mast half of the factory gooseneck setup. It looks like your mast already has the holes for it.
 
Nov 19, 2011
1,489
MacGregor 26S Hampton, VA
Mine is a clipper mast and boom and is set up with a down haul on the boom. It's similar but my gate for the slugs is below the boom and I have a stopper slug tightened down just above the gate. I can hoist the main, to a point where the boom lifts and then haul down on the boom or I can just keep in hauled down and hoist the main. My set up requires that if I expect to sail with the pop top up. I've played with the idea of being able to fly a taller main with the pop top down but am afraid the boom may catch the lifelines or someone's head.

I do have a Mac boom and the OEM thingy that the boom gooseneck attaches to in my shed if you want to buy one cheap. I'm not sure if the sail hook is there or not, I don't recall at the moment.
 
Nov 23, 2011
2,023
MacGregor 26D London Ontario Canada
I need a stopper slug. That will keep it from falling down. And I can put a quick down haul on to one of the horn cleats on my mast.
thanks all!
 
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