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Not a Hoax
I emailed the Captian of the Maltese Falcon and here is his reply. I also thought this was a hoax since I could not find a reference in any of the bay area papers. Hate to be his insurance adjuster.
Carl
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Unfortunately it is not a tall tale. On Saturday a sailboat T-boned us, they lost control somehow and sailed right into us at full speed, I am not sure what happened, but there was nothing I could do when they suddenly came towards!!! One thing for sure, I a am happy that no one was hurt or killed on either boat!!!
Have a good one!
Chris Gartner
Captain,
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I emailed the Captian of the Maltese Falcon and here is his reply. I also thought this was a hoax since I could not find a reference in any of the bay area papers. Hate to be his insurance adjuster.Carl
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Unfortunately it is not a tall tale. On Saturday a sailboat T-boned us, they lost control somehow and sailed right into us at full speed, I am not sure what happened, but there was nothing I could do when they suddenly came towards!!! One thing for sure, I a am happy that no one was hurt or killed on either boat!!!
Have a good one!
Chris Gartner
Captain,
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I am with the hoax theory.
I tried googling it yesterday when I first seen the thread and couldn't find anything on the collision. Also you would think someone had video footage of the collision with all the traffic around the boat someone had to have been videotaping it.
Rule 2(a) "The Rule of Good Seamanship" and Rule 2(b) "the General Prudential Rule" were not followed.
2(a) "Whatever you can do to avoid a collision..."
2(b) "The Rules must not be blindly followed into a collision."
What this guy was doing or not doing, it amazes me that someone would just hold their course and just ram into something like he did.
I don't see how someone that has an affinity for sailing in the first place, could even consider slaming into something as spectacular, awe inspiring and as beautiful as the MF. Clearly, he nor anyone else aboard must not have had a clue about where they were. Shame on the Captain of that Vessel.
2(a) "Whatever you can do to avoid a collision..."
2(b) "The Rules must not be blindly followed into a collision."
What this guy was doing or not doing, it amazes me that someone would just hold their course and just ram into something like he did.
I don't see how someone that has an affinity for sailing in the first place, could even consider slaming into something as spectacular, awe inspiring and as beautiful as the MF. Clearly, he nor anyone else aboard must not have had a clue about where they were. Shame on the Captain of that Vessel.
This thing is fake -- I was on the bay that day and there were hundreds of mainly sailing vessels on the bay -- why do we not see any of them on these "so-called pictures???"
Looks real to me. Zoom in on the photos and you will see a reflection of the Nordic on the silver cabin sides of the MF. Plus, did they really photoshop in people looking over the side at the Nordic when they hit. There are many people on the lee rail which is not common on any sailboat unless there is something there to see.
This was is the orignal story from Latitude 38
A Once in a Lifetime Sail
October 6, 2008 – San Francisco Bay
(Click on the photo to enlarge it.)
Falcon has spectacular curves, both aloft and in the superstructure. Unlike most large yachts, she has a high ratio of open deck space, making her look unusually graceful.
Photo Latitude / Richard
© 2008 Latitude 38 Publishing Co., Inc.
"It was one of the greatest days of my life," said Lourdes Livingston, wife of Sail Magazine editor Kimball Livingston, after her sail aboard Tom Perkins' 289-ft Dyna-Rigged Maltese Falcon on Sunday. In support of the Leukemia Cup, Belvedere resident Perkins graciously played host on his magnificent yacht to a number of contributors and others during the course of the weekend.
Falcon has three free-standing carbon masts that are nearly 200 feet tall - and despite being made of carbon fiber - weigh 25 tons! They, along with the fixed yards, rotate at the push of a button.
Photo Latitude / Richard
© 2008 Latitude 38 Publishing Co., Inc.
Sunday was our second time aboard Falcon, the first being at her launch in Italy. The more we see of her, the more we're impressed. If you've only seen the yacht from a distance, the main thing you can't see is the quality of craftsmanship throughout. Obviously this is a huge yacht, but every last detail — most of it done by Turks — is absolutely superb. All the guests marvelled at the quality.
Tom Perkins, along with Doña de Mallorca, stand before the 'mighty Wurlitzer' of Falcon. All the masts and sails are controlled and monitored at this console. You can just see the middle mast behind Perkins.
Photo Latitude / Richard
© 2008 Latitude 38 Publishing Co., Inc.
The other thing you can't see is how brilliantly the unique Dyna-Rig sail plan, perfected on Perkins' nickel, works. We were underway for about four hours, with Perkins driving and controlling the sail plan almost the entire time. The yacht is steered with a small knob, and the freestanding masts and 15 sails are controlled with the push of a few buttons. Indeed, Perkins looked as though he was playing a nautical version of a mighty Wurlitzer.
Looking down on the console that controls the sails and masts. The gray knob is the 'wheel'. When under power, Falcon is controlled at the forward console.
Photo Latitude / Richard
© 2008 Latitude 38 Publishing Co., Inc.
The most thrilling moment was when Perkins jibed the boat. By pushing several buttons, all three of the nearly 200-ft tall masts, with their very wide fixed yards spreading out the sails, rotated very rapidly. Indeed, if you stepped back about 10 feet from the helm position, you could watch and touch as the six-ft or so diameter middle mast turned. By the way, Perkins reports that none of the masts can ever be removed from the boat without destroying the boat.
This is part of the complicated mechanism that Perkins and his team had to solve in order to make the Dyna-Rig work.
Photo Latitude / Richard
© 2008 Latitude 38 Publishing Co., Inc.
At close to 1,200 tons, Falcon is naturally slow to accelerate, but once underway she moves right along. In 15 knots of true wind, she was sitting on 12 knots. On a not particularly breezy day, she topped out at 17 knots, heeling about 15 degrees at the time.
There would be no boxy superstructure for Falcon.
Photo Latitude / Richard
© 2008 Latitude 38 Publishing Co., Inc.
If you've seen Falcon sailing the Bay, from time to time you might have seen her 15 sails luffing, and thought she was being poorly sailed. On the contrary. Initially, Perkins and crew sailed Falcon like a normal yacht, increasing or decreasing the amount of sail area in reponse to the amount of wind. They still do that, of course, but within certain wind ranges they sail the yacht "like a dinghy," meaning they do things like luff the sails when appropriate. They've found that the yacht sails faster that way.
During passages, Perkins sleeps in this upper cabin to be near the helm. What you see here is that cabin's terrace.
Photo Latitude / Richard
© 2008 Latitude 38 Publishing Co., Inc.
Maltese Falcon has sailed 50,000 miles since she was launched 2.5 years ago. Perkins is proud to report that 65% of that has been under sail alone, while 20% has been motorsailing, and just 15% under power alone. She really does sail that well. Perkins loves the ocean crossings, and has done most of them. One of his favorites was across the Atlantic from the Canaries to St. Barth in the Caribbean last winter. Not only was it a swift passage, it was done without using the engine at all.
Falcon, which is just short of the length of a football field, in full flight.
© 2008 Dick Ernesen
Toward the end of the month, Falcon will be headed down the coast of Mexico and up into the Sea of Cortez. So look out Ha-Ha boats! Perkins will be armed with a new submarine designed by Marin resident and sailor Graham Hawkes. The sub has been tested off Richmond, and next week will be tested in the deep waters off Monterey. Assuming the tests go well, Perkins plans to follow the whales when they dive deep to the depths in the Sea of Cortez.
Even though Falcon is a sailboat, remember that she has limited maneuverability, so keep your distance.
© 2008 Peter Lyons / www.lyonsimaging.com
Perkins was thrilled with the glorious reception Falcon received from Bay sailors and all those along the shore. But if you're on a boat, please give her plenty of room to operate. Because she displaces more than 300 tons, she can't move around the Bay without a pilot aboard. And so far the pilots have had to sound five blasts on far too many occasions. On Saturday, there was even a collision — the first ever involving Falcon — between what appears to have been a Nordic 40 and the big yacht. Falcon's rail and hull were slightly damaged, and the mast of the other boat punched a whole in one of her sails. Falcon's crew was up until 1 a.m. patching it in place so the yacht would be ready to sail on Sunday. So look all you want, but please don't touch.
A Once in a Lifetime Sail
October 6, 2008 – San Francisco Bay
(Click on the photo to enlarge it.)
Falcon has spectacular curves, both aloft and in the superstructure. Unlike most large yachts, she has a high ratio of open deck space, making her look unusually graceful.
Photo Latitude / Richard
© 2008 Latitude 38 Publishing Co., Inc.
"It was one of the greatest days of my life," said Lourdes Livingston, wife of Sail Magazine editor Kimball Livingston, after her sail aboard Tom Perkins' 289-ft Dyna-Rigged Maltese Falcon on Sunday. In support of the Leukemia Cup, Belvedere resident Perkins graciously played host on his magnificent yacht to a number of contributors and others during the course of the weekend.
Falcon has three free-standing carbon masts that are nearly 200 feet tall - and despite being made of carbon fiber - weigh 25 tons! They, along with the fixed yards, rotate at the push of a button.
Photo Latitude / Richard
© 2008 Latitude 38 Publishing Co., Inc.
Sunday was our second time aboard Falcon, the first being at her launch in Italy. The more we see of her, the more we're impressed. If you've only seen the yacht from a distance, the main thing you can't see is the quality of craftsmanship throughout. Obviously this is a huge yacht, but every last detail — most of it done by Turks — is absolutely superb. All the guests marvelled at the quality.
Tom Perkins, along with Doña de Mallorca, stand before the 'mighty Wurlitzer' of Falcon. All the masts and sails are controlled and monitored at this console. You can just see the middle mast behind Perkins.
Photo Latitude / Richard
© 2008 Latitude 38 Publishing Co., Inc.
The other thing you can't see is how brilliantly the unique Dyna-Rig sail plan, perfected on Perkins' nickel, works. We were underway for about four hours, with Perkins driving and controlling the sail plan almost the entire time. The yacht is steered with a small knob, and the freestanding masts and 15 sails are controlled with the push of a few buttons. Indeed, Perkins looked as though he was playing a nautical version of a mighty Wurlitzer.
Looking down on the console that controls the sails and masts. The gray knob is the 'wheel'. When under power, Falcon is controlled at the forward console.
Photo Latitude / Richard
© 2008 Latitude 38 Publishing Co., Inc.
The most thrilling moment was when Perkins jibed the boat. By pushing several buttons, all three of the nearly 200-ft tall masts, with their very wide fixed yards spreading out the sails, rotated very rapidly. Indeed, if you stepped back about 10 feet from the helm position, you could watch and touch as the six-ft or so diameter middle mast turned. By the way, Perkins reports that none of the masts can ever be removed from the boat without destroying the boat.
This is part of the complicated mechanism that Perkins and his team had to solve in order to make the Dyna-Rig work.
Photo Latitude / Richard
© 2008 Latitude 38 Publishing Co., Inc.
At close to 1,200 tons, Falcon is naturally slow to accelerate, but once underway she moves right along. In 15 knots of true wind, she was sitting on 12 knots. On a not particularly breezy day, she topped out at 17 knots, heeling about 15 degrees at the time.
There would be no boxy superstructure for Falcon.
Photo Latitude / Richard
© 2008 Latitude 38 Publishing Co., Inc.
If you've seen Falcon sailing the Bay, from time to time you might have seen her 15 sails luffing, and thought she was being poorly sailed. On the contrary. Initially, Perkins and crew sailed Falcon like a normal yacht, increasing or decreasing the amount of sail area in reponse to the amount of wind. They still do that, of course, but within certain wind ranges they sail the yacht "like a dinghy," meaning they do things like luff the sails when appropriate. They've found that the yacht sails faster that way.
During passages, Perkins sleeps in this upper cabin to be near the helm. What you see here is that cabin's terrace.
Photo Latitude / Richard
© 2008 Latitude 38 Publishing Co., Inc.
Maltese Falcon has sailed 50,000 miles since she was launched 2.5 years ago. Perkins is proud to report that 65% of that has been under sail alone, while 20% has been motorsailing, and just 15% under power alone. She really does sail that well. Perkins loves the ocean crossings, and has done most of them. One of his favorites was across the Atlantic from the Canaries to St. Barth in the Caribbean last winter. Not only was it a swift passage, it was done without using the engine at all.
Falcon, which is just short of the length of a football field, in full flight.
© 2008 Dick Ernesen
Toward the end of the month, Falcon will be headed down the coast of Mexico and up into the Sea of Cortez. So look out Ha-Ha boats! Perkins will be armed with a new submarine designed by Marin resident and sailor Graham Hawkes. The sub has been tested off Richmond, and next week will be tested in the deep waters off Monterey. Assuming the tests go well, Perkins plans to follow the whales when they dive deep to the depths in the Sea of Cortez.
Even though Falcon is a sailboat, remember that she has limited maneuverability, so keep your distance.
© 2008 Peter Lyons / www.lyonsimaging.com
Perkins was thrilled with the glorious reception Falcon received from Bay sailors and all those along the shore. But if you're on a boat, please give her plenty of room to operate. Because she displaces more than 300 tons, she can't move around the Bay without a pilot aboard. And so far the pilots have had to sound five blasts on far too many occasions. On Saturday, there was even a collision — the first ever involving Falcon — between what appears to have been a Nordic 40 and the big yacht. Falcon's rail and hull were slightly damaged, and the mast of the other boat punched a whole in one of her sails. Falcon's crew was up until 1 a.m. patching it in place so the yacht would be ready to sail on Sunday. So look all you want, but please don't touch.
Fake?
Fake no.. Dumb yes!!
MF Collision Article (LINK)
MF Latitude 38 Article (LINK)
If you can't believe Latitude 38, a very reputable sailing magazine, then we're in trouble.. It's not a fake.
Plus Peter Lyons, the photographer, has a very good reputation and would not jeopardize it for a photo shop fake. Besides it would have taken him a week do PS all those photos..
Lyons Imaging (LINK)
Fake no.. Dumb yes!!
MF Collision Article (LINK)
MF Latitude 38 Article (LINK)
If you can't believe Latitude 38, a very reputable sailing magazine, then we're in trouble..
It's not a fake.Plus Peter Lyons, the photographer, has a very good reputation and would not jeopardize it for a photo shop fake. Besides it would have taken him a week do PS all those photos..
Lyons Imaging (LINK)
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Take a close look at those shots they are photo shoped the waves never make the mac bob in the water the mac was put into the shot of the other ship...
Take a close look at those shots they are photo shoped the waves never make the mac bob in the water the mac was put into the shot of the other ship...
I suppose we are to..
I suppose we are to believe Peter also photo shopped the guys sail being back winded after the collision. Did he do this to make it more believable??
Mr Lyons has not even removed water spots or sensor dust spots from the images yet and we are to believe he photo shopped all of those photos? C'mon I mean really?
Take a close look a the image bellow and look right above the M in the word IMAGING. You'll notice a circle or spot that does not fit in. It's either sensor dust or a water spot on the lens. If you were to actually PS a picture that would be the fist thing a pro would get rid of. As a published photographer myself I can assure you that those pics are pretty raw and mostly untouched..
Stand By back winds the head sail (LINK)
I suppose we are to believe Peter also photo shopped the guys sail being back winded after the collision. Did he do this to make it more believable??
Mr Lyons has not even removed water spots or sensor dust spots from the images yet and we are to believe he photo shopped all of those photos? C'mon I mean really?
Take a close look a the image bellow and look right above the M in the word IMAGING. You'll notice a circle or spot that does not fit in. It's either sensor dust or a water spot on the lens. If you were to actually PS a picture that would be the fist thing a pro would get rid of. As a published photographer myself I can assure you that those pics are pretty raw and mostly untouched..
Stand By back winds the head sail (LINK)
Intentional
How difficult would it have been to spin the wheel and tack? Even in SF Bay wind, I single hander can tack a 40 foot sailboat in about 15 seconds.
How do you not see a vessel 300 feet long and 200 feet high coming?
Intentional. The bastard had the right of way and he was either too pig-headed to give it up or he's going to use it to sue.
How difficult would it have been to spin the wheel and tack? Even in SF Bay wind, I single hander can tack a 40 foot sailboat in about 15 seconds.
How do you not see a vessel 300 feet long and 200 feet high coming?
Intentional. The bastard had the right of way and he was either too pig-headed to give it up or he's going to use it to sue.
They didn't see it
because they didn't know where they were. They were sailing parallel to the MF, then tacked towards her (possibly with the intention of passing her stern?), but the guy in the yellow jacket was facing the stern and it looks like he was dealing with the jib sheets. The guy at the helm appears to have been focusing on whatever the guy on the sheets is doing (possibly giving instructions), instead of steering the boat, so he maybe didn't realize he hadn't turned enough. There's no way they would NOT have been aware that they were within a few boat lengths of the MF, but neither appears to be looking at where they're going until after the impact.
I doubt that's because they were now on starboard tack and believed they were stand on. If they were that boneheaded, then they probably would have been watching so they could shout self-righteously at the MF. And they wouldn't have tried to run away if they thought they were in the right.
My guess is these guys were unfamiliar with the boat, unfamiliar with sailing, possibly they were borrowing or renting the boat, or any or all of the above.
Oh, and the supreme Col-reg rule is do not get into a collision. Based on the smaller boat's position in the first photo in the series, there's no way they could have held their course and avoided collision, no matter what the big boat did. If the MF had changed course, the small boat would have just hit it a little further forward or aft. The small boat tacked too close to allow the MF to maneuver out of the way, and then the small boat failed to take action to avoid an obviously impending collision despite having ample time to do so.
because they didn't know where they were. They were sailing parallel to the MF, then tacked towards her (possibly with the intention of passing her stern?), but the guy in the yellow jacket was facing the stern and it looks like he was dealing with the jib sheets. The guy at the helm appears to have been focusing on whatever the guy on the sheets is doing (possibly giving instructions), instead of steering the boat, so he maybe didn't realize he hadn't turned enough. There's no way they would NOT have been aware that they were within a few boat lengths of the MF, but neither appears to be looking at where they're going until after the impact.
I doubt that's because they were now on starboard tack and believed they were stand on. If they were that boneheaded, then they probably would have been watching so they could shout self-righteously at the MF. And they wouldn't have tried to run away if they thought they were in the right.
My guess is these guys were unfamiliar with the boat, unfamiliar with sailing, possibly they were borrowing or renting the boat, or any or all of the above.
Oh, and the supreme Col-reg rule is do not get into a collision. Based on the smaller boat's position in the first photo in the series, there's no way they could have held their course and avoided collision, no matter what the big boat did. If the MF had changed course, the small boat would have just hit it a little further forward or aft. The small boat tacked too close to allow the MF to maneuver out of the way, and then the small boat failed to take action to avoid an obviously impending collision despite having ample time to do so.
Re: ANYTIME someone collides at 8 mph...
T. Perkins wrote about this photo on Oct 6th. BTW, Tom Perkins is the owner of Maltese Falcon and was aboard the day of the collision.
"The name of the 40ft boat is "Stand By.
A few minutes before this photo sequence, the Falcon had turned to port, to give the right of way to the smaller yacht, which was to leeward on the starboard tack. The "Stand By" was originally on a roughly reciprocal course to that of the Falcon. Prior to the photos shown here, "Stand By" was bearing away, and the two yachts were on safe courses to pass roughly with a distance of 200 feet separation. After the "Stand By" had sailed past the Falcon's bow, the smaller vessel suddenly rounded up, possibly to tack in order to follow the Falcon, when she lost control, and with her main sheeted hard in, the smaller boat was unable to bear away to avoid a collision.
A San Francisco Bay Pilot, was on the Falcon's bridge overseeing the Falcon's course at all times. The pilot is also an experienced sailor and sail boat owner. Because of the Falcon's tonnage, a licenced pilot is required whenever the yacht is underway, approaching, or inside the Bay.
The "Stand By" did not stop after the collision. The Falcon furled her sails and pursued the 40 footer, under power, in order to determine her name and registration number. The pilot radioed the U.S. Coast Guard who intercepted the "Stand By" and boarded her.
The accident was caused by "Stand By"'s sudden change of course, which was much to quick to permit the Falcon to respond. The Falcon sustained damage to hull, capping rail, superstructure and main lower topsail, but fortunately there were no injuries to persons aboard either vessel.
Tom Perkins"
T. Perkins wrote about this photo on Oct 6th. BTW, Tom Perkins is the owner of Maltese Falcon and was aboard the day of the collision.
"The name of the 40ft boat is "Stand By.
A few minutes before this photo sequence, the Falcon had turned to port, to give the right of way to the smaller yacht, which was to leeward on the starboard tack. The "Stand By" was originally on a roughly reciprocal course to that of the Falcon. Prior to the photos shown here, "Stand By" was bearing away, and the two yachts were on safe courses to pass roughly with a distance of 200 feet separation. After the "Stand By" had sailed past the Falcon's bow, the smaller vessel suddenly rounded up, possibly to tack in order to follow the Falcon, when she lost control, and with her main sheeted hard in, the smaller boat was unable to bear away to avoid a collision.
A San Francisco Bay Pilot, was on the Falcon's bridge overseeing the Falcon's course at all times. The pilot is also an experienced sailor and sail boat owner. Because of the Falcon's tonnage, a licenced pilot is required whenever the yacht is underway, approaching, or inside the Bay.
The "Stand By" did not stop after the collision. The Falcon furled her sails and pursued the 40 footer, under power, in order to determine her name and registration number. The pilot radioed the U.S. Coast Guard who intercepted the "Stand By" and boarded her.
The accident was caused by "Stand By"'s sudden change of course, which was much to quick to permit the Falcon to respond. The Falcon sustained damage to hull, capping rail, superstructure and main lower topsail, but fortunately there were no injuries to persons aboard either vessel.
Tom Perkins"
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fake fake fake
reminds me of a Seinfeld Episode.
I watched several Youtube movies of it coming in and there is no hit.
I googled the web site of the MF, again, no mention of it.
Can you REALLY believe that every TV station in SF wouldn't have had THAT on their news broadcast?
OK....close your eyes if you don't want to know this...but there is no Santa Claus either!
reminds me of a Seinfeld Episode.
I watched several Youtube movies of it coming in and there is no hit.
I googled the web site of the MF, again, no mention of it.
Can you REALLY believe that every TV station in SF wouldn't have had THAT on their news broadcast?
OK....close your eyes if you don't want to know this...but there is no Santa Claus either!
So I suppose..
The San Francisco Citizen is also a bogus web site in this ploy.
The San Francisco Citizen
The San Francisco Citizen is also a bogus web site in this ploy.
The San Francisco Citizen
I am with tho52mas - this never took place.
1)The damage to MF was unreal - the upper surface of the handrail could not be damaged this way.
2) MF would have given warning blast tones to the smaller boat.
3) Smaller boat had plenty of distance to avoid collision
4) Coast Guard does not get involved with this type of minor accidents when someones life is not in danger. In a later photo it shows that coast guard has stopped the smaller boat.
5) I also have not heard any news on this collision from any local paper or news source.
6) I attend many Yatch clubs here in San Francisco Bay and no one has mensioned it.
1)The damage to MF was unreal - the upper surface of the handrail could not be damaged this way.
2) MF would have given warning blast tones to the smaller boat.
3) Smaller boat had plenty of distance to avoid collision
4) Coast Guard does not get involved with this type of minor accidents when someones life is not in danger. In a later photo it shows that coast guard has stopped the smaller boat.
5) I also have not heard any news on this collision from any local paper or news source.
6) I attend many Yatch clubs here in San Francisco Bay and no one has mensioned it.
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