Damage occurred during a move, for which I was not present. I’m looking for your thoughts as to the cause. Boat is a 40 year old Pearson 30, keel is lead encased in glass.
boatyard damage
- Thread starter barret bondon
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Not Sure
I am thinking from your photo's that maybe not really damage by the yard
during the haul out.
Looks like the bottom paint was built up and waiting to fall off,the blistering
shows that there was a problem all along.
Nick
I am thinking from your photo's that maybe not really damage by the yard
during the haul out.
Looks like the bottom paint was built up and waiting to fall off,the blistering
shows that there was a problem all along.
Nick
Possible existing freeze-thaw void that got bumped?
Doesn't look like too big of a fix, but once you start chipping back, you'll find out just how big.
Doesn't look like too big of a fix, but once you start chipping back, you'll find out just how big.
My previous boat, a Newport 30 had a glass encased lead keel. I had similar damage from running into a submerged rock. It looks like you may have had some separation between the glass and keel and when they set her down cracked the glass. Also possible that boat was not level when they came down and too much weight was on a small area. They should redistribute the weight better. Some bondo, cloth and resin should clean it up. Tap on the area around to see if a larger area is separated. They broke, so they should fix.
Looks like fairing compound separation from a corroding cast iron keel.. not what I would consider boatyard damage. Scrape back to good adhesion, prime and re-apply fairing stuff. Sand smooth, then on with new bottom paint when she goes back in.
I don't see any blisters as suggested earlier, but merely a buildup of bottom paint. Mentioned was a cast iron keel, but I would be surprised if Pearson went that route in the 70's. If it were me, I would talk to the yard about it and see what they say. This looks like a simple repair to me- clean off any loose material, clean and rough up what is under and use West and a few layers of cloth. Maybe you don't need the cloth at all. Any possibility this was freeze damage?
The keel ballast in a P30 is IRON.
Exactly what do you SEE inside of this 'rupture'?
From your pic it looks like a previous BIG ding was repaired by slopping in thickened/mush epoxy, and the 'repair' maybe wasn't totally water tight. If there is significant RUST inside this 'cavity' ......... the formation of red rust in an enclosed space has the propensity to create GREAT pressure and that alone may have been the cause of 'rupture' of this possible/probable previous repair.
I dont 'think' the yard did this as it looks suspiciously like a blowout of a previous repair. Could even be a 'bondo' blowout. Bondo should NEVER be used below the waterline.
Its been quite a long time since I had a P30; but, if I remember correctly the fiberglass 'roving' in that section of the keel should be approx 3/8"+ or more in thickness.
You can probably check with Rudy at D&R Marine , Assonet, MA., http://www.drmarine.com for the thickness of that layup on the keel bottom, as he's probably one of the few remaining 'gurus' on P30s.
More info needed:
What's inside this hole?
How thick is the FRG ROVING layup adjacent to the 'hole'?
and most importantly - is that thick RUST on the inside?
Exactly what do you SEE inside of this 'rupture'?
From your pic it looks like a previous BIG ding was repaired by slopping in thickened/mush epoxy, and the 'repair' maybe wasn't totally water tight. If there is significant RUST inside this 'cavity' ......... the formation of red rust in an enclosed space has the propensity to create GREAT pressure and that alone may have been the cause of 'rupture' of this possible/probable previous repair.
I dont 'think' the yard did this as it looks suspiciously like a blowout of a previous repair. Could even be a 'bondo' blowout. Bondo should NEVER be used below the waterline.
Its been quite a long time since I had a P30; but, if I remember correctly the fiberglass 'roving' in that section of the keel should be approx 3/8"+ or more in thickness.
You can probably check with Rudy at D&R Marine , Assonet, MA., http://www.drmarine.com for the thickness of that layup on the keel bottom, as he's probably one of the few remaining 'gurus' on P30s.
More info needed:
What's inside this hole?
How thick is the FRG ROVING layup adjacent to the 'hole'?
and most importantly - is that thick RUST on the inside?
Dealinng with a metal keel, the suggestion to clean back to the metal and use a primer is highly suggested. In the old days the primer was called zinc chromate but not sure what brand names it comes in now.
What about using barrier coat? For all it's 'hype', it is after all a two part epoxy primer. Then glass.
For what it's worth, that is the most frequently damaged area, as it is the first thing to make contact in an underwater collision. MY boat? Heavy on the roving and mat to beef it up..
For what it's worth, that is the most frequently damaged area, as it is the first thing to make contact in an underwater collision. MY boat? Heavy on the roving and mat to beef it up..
if you are on the hard now look around the yard and see if someone is sand blasting another hull and if so talk to them about cleaning up that mess for you ...then you will have a better idea of what you have and it will be clean for the repair ...at any rate you have to get it fixed no matter what happens with disputes/litigation or whatever........ and get it fixed good luck
You only left them ONE DOLLAR for a tip- you should have left more
Aw man.... you stole my line...:dance:
I own a P30 #835 I drilled a hole in mine it is LEAD encapsulated in fiberglass, only the front half is weight bearing. See diagram on sailboatdata site very good drawing.
I would think that if they used lead in 1976 boats they did the same in the earlier ones.
I would think that if they used lead in 1976 boats they did the same in the earlier ones.
Keel Damage
I have owned a 75 pearson 26w for 15 years The keel and underbody is very similar to a P30
The Keel was cast iron encapsulated in fiberglass. about 3 seasons ago at haul out I noticed the fiberglass coating on the keel was peeling off. on further inspection It became apparent that water had penetrated the coating causing the fiberglass to flake off in large slabs. I cleaned all the old fiberglass off. washed the bare Iron keel with lacquer thinner and applied two coats of pettit rust inhibitor, followed by 2 coats of west system epoxy and two coats of
ablative bottom paint. worked fine. 3 years in salt water.,no problems. I did not see the sense of reapplying fiberglass to the keel. There is a more detailed explanation in the archives
I have owned a 75 pearson 26w for 15 years The keel and underbody is very similar to a P30
The Keel was cast iron encapsulated in fiberglass. about 3 seasons ago at haul out I noticed the fiberglass coating on the keel was peeling off. on further inspection It became apparent that water had penetrated the coating causing the fiberglass to flake off in large slabs. I cleaned all the old fiberglass off. washed the bare Iron keel with lacquer thinner and applied two coats of pettit rust inhibitor, followed by 2 coats of west system epoxy and two coats of
ablative bottom paint. worked fine. 3 years in salt water.,no problems. I did not see the sense of reapplying fiberglass to the keel. There is a more detailed explanation in the archives