Boat US Insurance question....

Capn D

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Jun 4, 2004
46
Hunter 380 Clear Lake, TX
Thanks to everyone for their advice. I've made notes. Just an update: I did have a couple of conversations with a supervisor, but since then it has been silent. I was supposed to get a call today about a check being sent, but did not hear anything.

Back in April when I stepped on the boat and was shocked to find the damage I found, I never thought that 7 months later barely any progress would have been made and what progress has occurred has been out of pocket.

We will see...
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,709
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
It really doesn't matter. "...unfair to this current forum..."??? Huh??? While you are not new here, for the long time you've been here you have relatively few posts, so if you don't know already, you'll find that links are powerful tools that assist folks with questions. It avoid having people retype answers to lots of recurring questions that require more nuanced answers than yes or no. I found the replies on CF interesting and read CF as much as I do here. The different skippers there offer a different view of things than those here, simply based on their different experiences.
Stu,

It is simply bad form to copy and paste a post with auto-generated links. Auto-generated links are automatically created by another forum without your input. To paste them into an SBO forum is really a bit on the tacky side.. These are not links that answer a specific question, they are simply key-word generated automatically, and there is a difference.

If you copy & paste a post from one forum to another please be sure to clean up any "auto-generated" links before posting here.. Auto-generated simply means you did not insert them, create them or intend for them to be in your post..
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,709
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Update: I got a call from a Claims Supervisor at Boat US today. They are aware of this post and they initiated the phone call - so kudos to them.
While I don't believe it was you who made them aware of this thread we need to be very careful this forum is not used as a tool to leverage or muscle a vendor into submission. Your OP is well within the guidelines in asking for support or guidance but we need to be very careful we don't tilt towards using SBO as a tool to muscle your insurer..

I know it's s fine line so I just want to make everyone aware that using SBO to settle a grudge, get your way with a vendor, insurer, boat yard etc. is not within the SBO forum rules. We are not there yet so this is just a heads up to be cognizant of our Forum Rules.
 
Nov 26, 2008
1,970
Endeavour 42 Cruisin
Something doesnt sound right. we were hit by lightening in Long Isl. they wanted us to haul immediately and get surveyed at their expense. I could see we were not taking on water so we continued to Annapolis where I would be for a month. they arranged a haul and survey for me there immediately but at my convenience. the yard wrote up an estimate of repairs and boat us wrote me a check for that amount. I did some of the work and pocketed some of the money saved. I have talked to many people with lightning damage who had excellent involvement by boat us, even a year later when more electronics faild.

Maybe warren buffet has decided to screw you?
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Just got my new premium notice from Geico/BOATUS; more than $500/yr drop over the one from last year. Almost too good to believe:doh:; I'm checking it out further.
 

wsmac

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Feb 16, 2017
134
Hunter 28.5 Humboldt
I have had great experiences with some insurance companies in the past (nonboat) and some not so great experiences.
Just to add another 'tool' or pathway for anyone else who feels they are not getting the representation from their insurance company that they should be getting... in the U.S. at least...
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After documenting all communications with an agent or rep from the insurance company, you check with the state government you are a resident of. Every state I've lived in has always had a department that overseas insurance companies. Contact them about the issue. GET THE NAME OF WHO YOU TALK WITH! Then, contact your insurance company again, letting them know you have reached out to your state's Insurance Board, or Department of Consumer Affairs, whatever it's called for your state... "Hello _______ (Insurance agent/company rep), I recently spoke with Ms/Mr___________ from the State Insurance Board/Dept. of Consumer Affairs about the issue of my insurance coverage for this claim.... "

This has ALWAYS gotten things moving for me, and a few other people I know who were not being cared for appropriately by their insurance company.
Hopefully this can help others in the boat world as well.
 

Capn D

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Jun 4, 2004
46
Hunter 380 Clear Lake, TX
OK. A followup to my original post now that our claim seems to be just about complete (after exactly 1 year):

Maine Sail: I get where you are coming from and fully agree with your post. My original intention was not to use this or other websites for leverage, but to truly get information on a subject I had no experience with. My followup was to inform the group that at least the involved insurance company was setup to monitor for problems on social media/et al and responded. It was a positive post following up on a negative situation.

That said, I will understand if you feel I'm being too forward with information here, but just like asking and learning which anchorages have lots of theft, I want this information to help others that may have a similar issue in the future.

And now, the rest of the story:
After the insurance supervisor contacted me, he was 100% helpful, courteous, and quick to respond to our needs. He even followed up with us to make sure the checks he quickly cut had helped and that the repairs were underway. I stick with my original recommendations that you take tons of pictures, record all calls (where you legally can), document everything, and keep track of all invoices sent, processed, checked received, etc. This helped us - when he was trying to help.

Once the bulk of the work was underway, the supervisor stepped back and put the original adjuster back in the loop. Once all the core wiring was removed, the trades were able to test the engine and determined it was fine and only the starter, alternator, and tachometer were destroyed. We took that final bill and sent it to Boat US. Sadly, the original problems with them returned: Responses were delayed, she (original adjustor) did finally respond, she claimed the last small repair was too large and a 2nd level supervisor had to approve...On and On. It took weeks and weeks to get this little check. All the other checks had been overnighted - this one was sent via snail mail. All the other checks under $5,000 were in my name - this one was in the banks name. It's all pretty petty in the long run, but it's just a warning: don't get sideways with the adjustor. If you do, go to a supervisor or your State Board of Insurance. Overall, I would say that Boat US / Geico is probably a pretty good company. Like any company, they have a few bad eggs.

I learned a lot and hope no one else has to go through this mess. If you want more info, please PM me.
 
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Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
In my experience the State Board of Insurance is useless in the face of well-funded insurance companies who pretty much own the state legislators who write the laws which regulate (or do not) the insurance companies. It is so important to know exactly what your policy covers, not just what it costs. Then you insist the insurer honor the agreement. If they are sandbagging you it is best to retain an attorney. The insurer will end up paying for your attorney too.
 
Jan 11, 2014
12,958
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
CapnD, glad things have finally worked out for you. Not surprised that the big check was made out to you and the bank since the bank has an interest in the boat.

KG, last fall my insurance with BoatUS/Geico went down about 20%. The policy did not seem different than the one I had with BoatUS' s prior partner.

I wonder if the GEICO policies are different from the BoatUS/GEICO policies.
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
CapnD, glad things have finally worked out for you. Not surprised that the big check was made out to you and the bank since the bank has an interest in the boat.

KG, last fall my insurance with BoatUS/Geico went down about 20%. The policy did not seem different than the one I had with BoatUS' s prior partner.

I wonder if the GEICO policies are different from the BoatUS/GEICO policies.
The drop for me is > 50%!!
 

SFS

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Aug 18, 2015
2,086
Currently Boatless Okinawa
Mine (liability only) went down by about 70% went Geico started underwriting BoatUS policies. Which means mine is smaller than yours, KG. Wait....
 

DSqr

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Feb 27, 2010
48
Hunter 376 Racine, WI
My experience with BoatUS claims, after being dismasted last year, was first class. The adjuster initiated calls on evenings and weekends to follow-up on the process. We got a check for the full estimate within 30 days of the incident (~$40K). My only negative was that they depreciated the 18 year old mainsail 90%, so the ~$4K cost came out of my pocket. I noticed that they changed their policy this year to replacement value, instead of depreciated value. I anticipated a huge premium increase, due to the size of the claim, but it only went up about $100.

In this case, BoatUS authorized the quote from the Hunter dealer for:
* New mast, shrouds, stays, halyards
* Replacement of radar and anemometer
* New lifelines and stanchions
* New dodger
* New rub rail (110')

I'm not normally a fan of insurance companies, but in this case, I'm happy to stay with BoatUS.