Boat opinion.

Jun 25, 2004
1,109
Corsair F24 Mk1 003 San Francisco Bay, CA
I'm looking to bid on this. But how would I get a motor on it?
One of the pictures shows it has an outboard bracket on the transom. Looks like you could put a small (under 125 pounds) 4 stroke on it.
The advert says the inboard doesn't run.

Do you live near the boat's location in Delaware? How you going to get it home?

The forestay is broken and the mast is held up with rope, not wires. You shouldn't sail it without carefully inspecting the standing rigging (wires). The mast could fall down and then you would have a big expense to repair or to dispose of it.
 
Jun 25, 2004
1,109
Corsair F24 Mk1 003 San Francisco Bay, CA
Lmao. Ment this 1
That one is in California. The Snapdragon you asked about was in Delaware.
Where do you live?
How will you transport either boat to your home?

The Piver Trimaran will sell at a higher price than than the Snapdragon, I think.
 
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Sep 27, 2020
171
Newport 27 Westport
That one is in California. The Snapdragon you asked about was in Delaware.
Where do you live?
How will you transport either boat to your home?

The Piver Trimaran will sell at a higher price than than the Snapdragon, I think.
I intend to live on the boat.
 
Jun 25, 2004
1,109
Corsair F24 Mk1 003 San Francisco Bay, CA
I intend to live on the boat.
That boat is in Alameda, in the Oakland Estuary on San Francisco Bay. I have kept a boat there for more than 20 years so I know a little about local liveaboards.. Living aboard on San Francisco Bay legally is not easy or cheap to do.

Are you going to anchor out or lease a slip? I have friends who live aboard their boats, but it's not cheap to do it legally unless you move your boat every few days or get a permit from the Coast Guard.

About leasing a slip:
Slips in the San francisco Bay Area are expensive. There are cheaper slips up in the Sacramento River Delta, but I don't know the prices.

A slip big enough for a trimaran is expensive compared to a monohull, because multihulls are so wide in the beam. Side-tie berths for multihulls start at about $12.50/foot/month at the cheapest marinas on SF Bay. The berth for my Trimaran is 13.50/foot/month. Plus about $6-10/foot/month if you liveaboard. So if you can find a liveaboard slip for the 29' Piver, it will cost you over $600 per month plus cost of electricity. Many marinas don't accept liveaboards under 35' LOA.

Monohull slips start at about $8/foot/month on SF Bay.

The marinas in Alameda (and everywhere on SF Bay) generally do not accept derelict boats as tenants (because they get stuck with the cost of removal when the owner abandons the boat and disappears). Marinas always require you have a current registration and have $300-$500k of liability insurance. Many marinas require a current survey (less than 2 years old) if the boat is older than 15 years. Most marinas will require you to keep it in seaworthy condition, which includes having a working motor.

If you want to live aboard a marina, you need to get a legally permitted "liveaboard" slip. The cheaper ones at older marinas are in short supply in Alameda CA. There's a waiting list for liveaboard slips at every marina on San Francisco Bay and area. The marinas around here will lock you out if you try to sneak aboard. They all have electronic keys to operate the gate.

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About Anchoring out:

Anchoring out is legal in designated anchorages, but it is technically against state law to anchor out anywhere else without a permit from the Coast Guard/Port Captain. You will be considered a hazard to navigation.

I believe there is a 72 hour limit to anchoring in designated anchorages unless you get a permit from the Coast Guard, but you can probably stay in one spot longer than that in isolated places before the CG notices you. Every year, the Coast Guard periodically impounds illegally anchored boats and destroys them after giving a 30 day notice. So you have to move your boat.

There used to be certain places where liveaboards were allowed to anchor out. Richardson Bay was one of those places starting in the 1960's. There used to be 250 anchor-outs there, but now there are less than 50 who have been grandfathered in. The Coast Guard enforces the rules to prevent dumping of sewage and inspects anchors to avoid boats from dragging anchor and damaging other boats. Some boats were impounded because they were being used as meth labs.

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Title 33: Navigation and Navigable Waters
PART 110—ANCHORAGE REGULATIONS
Subpart B—Anchorage Grounds

§110.224 San Francisco Bay, San Pablo Bay, Carquinez Strait, Suisun Bay, Sacramento River, San Joaquin River, and connecting waters, CA.
(a) General regulations. (1) Within the navigable waters of San Francisco Bay, San Pablo Bay, Carquinez Strait, Suisun Bay, New York Slough, San Joaquin River Deep Water Channel, the Stockton Turning Basin, the Sacramento River Deep Water Ship Channel between Suisun Bay and the east end of the West Sacramento Turning Basin, and connecting waters, anchoring is prohibited outside of designated anchorages except when required for safety or with the written permission of the Captain of the Port. Each vessel anchoring outside an established anchorage area shall immediately notify the Captain of the Port of her position and reason for anchoring.
 
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Sep 27, 2020
171
Newport 27 Westport
That boat is in Alameda, in the Oakland Estuary on San Francisco Bay. I have kept a boat there for more than 20 years so I know a little about local liveaboards.. Living aboard on San Francisco Bay legally is not easy or cheap to do.

Are you going to anchor out or lease a slip? I have friends who live aboard their boats, but it's not cheap to do it legally unless you move your boat every few days or get a permit from the Coast Guard.

About leasing a slip:
Slips in the San francisco Bay Area are expensive. There are cheaper slips up in the Sacramento River Delta, but I don't know the prices.

A slip big enough for a trimaran is expensive compared to a monohull, because multihulls are so wide in the beam. Side-tie berths for multihulls start at about $12.50/foot/month at the cheapest marinas on SF Bay. The berth for my Trimaran is 13.50/foot/month. Plus about $6-10/foot/month if you liveaboard. So if you can find a liveaboard slip for the 29' Piver, it will cost you over $600 per month plus cost of electricity. Many marinas don't accept liveaboards under 35' LOA.

Monohull slips start at about $8/foot/month on SF Bay.

The marinas in Alameda (and everywhere on SF Bay) generally do not accept derelict boats as tenants (because they get stuck with the cost of removal when the owner abandons the boat and disappears). Marinas always require you have a current registration and have $300-$500k of liability insurance. Many marinas require a current survey (less than 2 years old) if the boat is older than 15 years. Most marinas will require you to keep it in seaworthy condition, which includes having a working motor.

If you want to live aboard a marina, you need to get a legally permitted "liveaboard" slip. The cheaper ones at older marinas are in short supply in Alameda CA. There's a waiting list for liveaboard slips at every marina on San Francisco Bay and area. The marinas around here will lock you out if you try to sneak aboard. They all have electronic keys to operate the gate.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
About Anchoring out:

Anchoring out is legal in designated anchorages, but it is technically against state law to anchor out anywhere else without a permit from the Coast Guard or designated port master. You will be considered a hazard to navigation.

I believe there is a 72 hour limit to anchoring in designated anchorages unless you get a permit from the Coast Guard, but you can probably stay in one spot longer than that in isolated places before the CG notices you. Every year, the Coast Guard periodically impounds illegally anchored boats and destroys them after giving a 30 day notice. So you have to move your boat.

There used to be certain places where liveaboards were allowed to anchor out. Richardson Bay was one of those places starting in the 1960's. There used to be 250 anchor-outs there, but now there are less than 50 who have been grandfathered in. The Coast Guard enforces the rules to prevent dumping of sewage and inspects anchors to avoid boats from dragging anchor and damaging other boats. Some boats were impounded because they were being used as meth labs.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Title 33: Navigation and Navigable Waters
PART 110—ANCHORAGE REGULATIONS
Subpart B—Anchorage Grounds

§110.224 San Francisco Bay, San Pablo Bay, Carquinez Strait, Suisun Bay, Sacramento River, San Joaquin River, and connecting waters, CA.
(a) General regulations. (1) Within the navigable waters of San Francisco Bay, San Pablo Bay, Carquinez Strait, Suisun Bay, New York Slough, San Joaquin River Deep Water Channel, the Stockton Turning Basin, the Sacramento River Deep Water Ship Channel between Suisun Bay and the east end of the West Sacramento Turning Basin, and connecting waters, anchoring is prohibited outside of designated anchorages except when required for safety or with the written permission of the Captain of the Port. Each vessel anchoring outside an established anchorage area shall immediately notify the Captain of the Port of her position and reason for anchoring.
Damn. That's expensive
 

capta

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Jun 4, 2009
4,907
Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
I know the Pivers well. They are great fun, for a first generation trimaran. Most were home built with plywood and polyester resin, but you could get lucky and this one could be built with epoxy.
The two big lookouts are the box cross arms that hold the boat together and the plywood itself. If it wasn't completely sealed with resin in, out and around the edges, the chances are there are going to be some pretty serious areas of rot. Also, a good place to check out is the extreme interior of the bows of the amas. There is often rot there. Of course chain plate mounting areas are suspect, too.
These boats were designed to be very light, but many folks building them didn't understand that lightness was their safety feature. So when the plans called for 1/2" stringers or 1/4" ply they couldn't accept that and use 2x4s and 3/8" ply, making the boat a dangerous total dog under sail. Then, they would add a big engine, further complicating things and they ended up with a pretty comfortable houseboat with a mast.
However, if she is sound enough to sail and light, she would be more fun than a barrel of monkeys to zip around on for day sails and some coastal sailing. If you are a monohull sailor, throw away everything you ever knew about ETA and be prepared for a whole new adventure in sailing. You may not be able to outpoint the boys on their monos, but at two times (or more) their speed, you'll definitely get wherever first.
 
Jul 7, 2004
8,481
Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
Do your homework. This is a huge undertaking. The boat is only a bit of a liveaboard dream. With a limited budget you may be disappointed in your findings
 
Sep 27, 2020
171
Newport 27 Westport
I know the Pivers well. They are great fun, for a first generation trimaran. Most were home built with plywood and polyester resin, but you could get lucky and this one could be built with epoxy.
The two big lookouts are the box cross arms that hold the boat together and the plywood itself. If it wasn't completely sealed with resin in, out and around the edges, the chances are there are going to be some pretty serious areas of rot. Also, a good place to check out is the extreme interior of the bows of the amas. There is often rot there. Of course chain plate mounting areas are suspect, too.
These boats were designed to be very light, but many folks building them didn't understand that lightness was their safety feature. So when the plans called for 1/2" stringers or 1/4" ply they couldn't accept that and use 2x4s and 3/8" ply, making the boat a dangerous total dog under sail. Then, they would add a big engine, further complicating things and they ended up with a pretty comfortable houseboat with a mast.
However, if she is sound enough to sail and light, she would be more fun than a barrel of monkeys to zip around on for day sails and some coastal sailing. If you are a monohull sailor, throw away everything you ever knew about ETA and be prepared for a whole new adventure in sailing. You may not be able to outpoint the boys on their monos, but at two times (or more) their speed, you'll definitely get wherever first.
I think the posting is wrong. The only plans I found that match it are the nimble 30ft
 
Jun 25, 2004
1,109
Corsair F24 Mk1 003 San Francisco Bay, CA
Before you buy a donated boat, make sure there are no back taxes or registration fees due. In California, You can’t register it if there are unpaid back taxes or registration fees.
 
Jul 7, 2004
8,481
Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
Before you buy a donated boat, make sure there are no back taxes or registration fees due. In California, You can’t register it if there are unpaid back taxes or registration fees.
Good point. My guess is most people who donate want to do just that - avoid back taxes and fees
 
Sep 27, 2020
171
Newport 27 Westport
Before you buy a donated boat, make sure there are no back taxes or registration fees due. In California, You can’t register it if there are unpaid back taxes or registration fees.
Lol. Damn. Now THATS good info! I'll have to check
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
My thoughts are that it would cost somewhere between $30,000 and $60,000 to make this a fully operational, safe boat, with erroring likely to be the upper number is not high enough.
Yeah. When it says “cosmetic work” you’re in for many, many hours of your labor. Also, nothing is said about the condition of the teak grout of the deck. There’s $10K right there unless you know how to do it yourself. You’ll find out why the job costs as much as it does.
 

DArcy

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Feb 11, 2017
1,767
Islander Freeport 36 Ottawa
If you can make it to that boat for a look it would probably be worth the trip.

The teak deck looks like it is only around the cockpit so not that bad a job to repair or remove. From the write up with several "not installed" parts it sounds like someone was trying to fix the boat up but just didn't get it done. The original standing rigging is a concern and would need a proper inspection, plus budget for replacing in the near future. The wooden masts need to be checked all over for rot. Still, this is the most promising boat you have posted based only on the sales add.