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Race boat in PDX named "white trash" and i ain't offended Robert E. Lee; Patriot, General, Gentleman.
Race boat in PDX named "white trash" and i ain't offended Robert E. Lee; Patriot, General, Gentleman.
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Robert E. Lee was a good and decent man. Those who knew him well had only the highest regard for him. At one time he was the best-known and most highly regarded combat soldier in the United States Army, in which he served for more than 30 years. General Scott said that having Lee in command of troops in the field would be worth 50,000 men. When he turned down the offer of command of the U.S. Army at the beginning of the war, it was an agonizing decision for him and he gave up everything he owned and everything he had worked to achieve in his military service to that point, except his personal honor. He could not stand by and watch federal government troops invade Virginia against her will. Most people today don't understand that there was a big difference between being an abolitionist and being an emancipationist. Many in the south, including Lee, were the latter. He never campaigned or fought to defend the institution of slavery, though many today are taught that he did. He accomplished more with less than virtually any military leader since Hannibal, and his campaigns are still studied today as textbook examples. After the war Lee turned down lucrative offers from businesses who wanted to use his name. Instead, he accepted a low-paying job as president of the nearly destitute Washington College (today named Washington and Lee University). He spent the remaining years of his life leading by example and encouraging southerners to put down their bitterness and prepare themselves for citizenship in the Union. He loved the United States and gave much more in her service than most of her citizens could even imagine doing. However, he loved Virginia even more and in an era when states' rights were considered much more important than today, even by those who favored a strong central government, his ultimate loyalty lay with his native state. There are those who choose to be offended by anything they can find, and who draw attention and sympathy from the uninformed. They are not worthy of our consideration.
Robert E. Lee was a good and decent man. Those who knew him well had only the highest regard for him. At one time he was the best-known and most highly regarded combat soldier in the United States Army, in which he served for more than 30 years. General Scott said that having Lee in command of troops in the field would be worth 50,000 men. When he turned down the offer of command of the U.S. Army at the beginning of the war, it was an agonizing decision for him and he gave up everything he owned and everything he had worked to achieve in his military service to that point, except his personal honor. He could not stand by and watch federal government troops invade Virginia against her will. Most people today don't understand that there was a big difference between being an abolitionist and being an emancipationist. Many in the south, including Lee, were the latter. He never campaigned or fought to defend the institution of slavery, though many today are taught that he did. He accomplished more with less than virtually any military leader since Hannibal, and his campaigns are still studied today as textbook examples. After the war Lee turned down lucrative offers from businesses who wanted to use his name. Instead, he accepted a low-paying job as president of the nearly destitute Washington College (today named Washington and Lee University). He spent the remaining years of his life leading by example and encouraging southerners to put down their bitterness and prepare themselves for citizenship in the Union. He loved the United States and gave much more in her service than most of her citizens could even imagine doing. However, he loved Virginia even more and in an era when states' rights were considered much more important than today, even by those who favored a strong central government, his ultimate loyalty lay with his native state. There are those who choose to be offended by anything they can find, and who draw attention and sympathy from the uninformed. They are not worthy of our consideration.
Bit More History
Lee's estate in Arlington was from his wife's side of the family who was a direct relation to Martha Washington. It was not seized during the War of Northern Agression out of respect for Lee. Many troops were buried there after some of the battles nearby and he could not stand to look out across those graves after the war and left it to become the cemetery it is today. While President of Washington University he made it a point to always march out of step to show his disdain for war.
Lee's estate in Arlington was from his wife's side of the family who was a direct relation to Martha Washington. It was not seized during the War of Northern Agression out of respect for Lee. Many troops were buried there after some of the battles nearby and he could not stand to look out across those graves after the war and left it to become the cemetery it is today. While President of Washington University he made it a point to always march out of step to show his disdain for war.
Don't Cower
How about you drop your oversensitive politicically-correct brainwashed friend, name your boat whatever you want, let anyone who is offended be offended and think you tasteless, and get on with your life and the way you want to live it? You can't please everyone, and you can't often please the politically correct. P.S.— It very well may be true that you actually are tasteless, but it's a free country, after all.
How about you drop your oversensitive politicically-correct brainwashed friend, name your boat whatever you want, let anyone who is offended be offended and think you tasteless, and get on with your life and the way you want to live it? You can't please everyone, and you can't often please the politically correct. P.S.— It very well may be true that you actually are tasteless, but it's a free country, after all.
A little correction
Arlington was indeed seized by the Union during the war, and Lee never returned there to live. A regulation had been enacted that the owner of the property had to pay the taxes in person, which of course Lee was unable to do, and the property was then seized. Many of the original trees were cut down, partly out of disrespect to the Lee family. Some influential voices in the north urged that he be tried for treason after the war - fortunately wiser heads prevailed. Next year will witness the 200th anniversary of his birth.
Arlington was indeed seized by the Union during the war, and Lee never returned there to live. A regulation had been enacted that the owner of the property had to pay the taxes in person, which of course Lee was unable to do, and the property was then seized. Many of the original trees were cut down, partly out of disrespect to the Lee family. Some influential voices in the north urged that he be tried for treason after the war - fortunately wiser heads prevailed. Next year will witness the 200th anniversary of his birth.
Wonder How I Learned That
I learned Lee was given the place back but it was given back to his son. Lee never actually owned Arlington it was his wifes place so maybe it was the Lee family not Lee himself where the confusion came from. Thanks Bob
I learned Lee was given the place back but it was given back to his son. Lee never actually owned Arlington it was his wifes place so maybe it was the Lee family not Lee himself where the confusion came from. Thanks Bob
boat names
It's all in fun. Though none of these were ever painted on, after various sailing adventures my V21 has been unoficially known as Lucy-Tanya, Runaground Sue, and Marie Osmand (She'll never go down)
It's all in fun. Though none of these were ever painted on, after various sailing adventures my V21 has been unoficially known as Lucy-Tanya, Runaground Sue, and Marie Osmand (She'll never go down)
Live your life
and enjoy everything you do. We boat because we enjoy it. So enjoy it. If you are living your life making everyone happy .Why are there so many people miserable? You aren't doing a very good job. Get with the program. Just kidding enjoy yourself and let others enjoy theirs. Keep it up, Ctskip
and enjoy everything you do. We boat because we enjoy it. So enjoy it. If you are living your life making everyone happy .Why are there so many people miserable? You aren't doing a very good job. Get with the program. Just kidding enjoy yourself and let others enjoy theirs. Keep it up, Ctskip
Joe...hang on there a minute......
Maybe Robert E. Lee was a famous yachtsman and we just arent aware of it. Then again.....yeah, its stupid.
Maybe Robert E. Lee was a famous yachtsman and we just arent aware of it. Then again.....yeah, its stupid.
Offensive?
Unless you use some politically correct name like "multicultural" or "diversity" some idiots will be offended. Who cares?
Unless you use some politically correct name like "multicultural" or "diversity" some idiots will be offended. Who cares?
But your from Wisconsin!!
Sorry Higgs, You kinda caught me off guard with considering Robert E. Lee when I noted you hail from Wisconsin. You would think US Grant or Phil Sheridan would be more appropriate, if you going after historical Civil War characters. Down here in the deep south the names of Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, Stonewall Jackson and the rest of the Confederate "heroes" remain somewhat honored and certainly are enduring. Robert E. Lee has his rightful place on Stone Mountain outside of Atlanta. His likeness is carved in the side of the mountain along with Jefferson Davis and Stonewall Jackson. You can put a full sized auto behind his horses head!! Thats how big it is. The groundhog that competes with "ponchitrany Bill" up in Philly is named Robert E. Lee down here, but besides the groundhog, I cannot think of any other noteable characters in town or objects for that matter named after Robert E. Lee. Personnally, I think the name is nuts on a boat, especially, because our sailboats are fondly referred to as "she". Leave the male names to US Naval Ships, New York Tug Boats and the like. If you have to use something historic try, "Betsy Ross". Bob Breezin II
Sorry Higgs, You kinda caught me off guard with considering Robert E. Lee when I noted you hail from Wisconsin. You would think US Grant or Phil Sheridan would be more appropriate, if you going after historical Civil War characters. Down here in the deep south the names of Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, Stonewall Jackson and the rest of the Confederate "heroes" remain somewhat honored and certainly are enduring. Robert E. Lee has his rightful place on Stone Mountain outside of Atlanta. His likeness is carved in the side of the mountain along with Jefferson Davis and Stonewall Jackson. You can put a full sized auto behind his horses head!! Thats how big it is. The groundhog that competes with "ponchitrany Bill" up in Philly is named Robert E. Lee down here, but besides the groundhog, I cannot think of any other noteable characters in town or objects for that matter named after Robert E. Lee. Personnally, I think the name is nuts on a boat, especially, because our sailboats are fondly referred to as "she". Leave the male names to US Naval Ships, New York Tug Boats and the like. If you have to use something historic try, "Betsy Ross". Bob Breezin II
Bob, That 'Lee' culture in the deep South reminds
me.
I read the biography of Lee Iaccoca (sp) many years ago. When he was a young whippersnapper, fresh out of school and newly hired with FORD, he was sent to a sales position in the deep South. Being a very intelligent young man, he changed his first name to Lee and never looked back.
me.
I read the biography of Lee Iaccoca (sp) many years ago. When he was a young whippersnapper, fresh out of school and newly hired with FORD, he was sent to a sales position in the deep South. Being a very intelligent young man, he changed his first name to Lee and never looked back.
The General Lee
saw a boat, don't remember where it was, but it was a lead sled and it was named the General Lee. It was complete with an 01 and a rebel flag. I thought that it was pretty neat. When I use to race we were going to D.C. to race the Leukemia Cup there. We were flying a rebel flag from the stern. We sailed under the Woodrow Wilson Bridge. We were telling the helmsman that the flag might be not taken so well up in the area of D.C. We heard a loud bang and the crew was diving for cover (it turned out to be a car backfire). We then decided to fly a different flag.
saw a boat, don't remember where it was, but it was a lead sled and it was named the General Lee. It was complete with an 01 and a rebel flag. I thought that it was pretty neat. When I use to race we were going to D.C. to race the Leukemia Cup there. We were flying a rebel flag from the stern. We sailed under the Woodrow Wilson Bridge. We were telling the helmsman that the flag might be not taken so well up in the area of D.C. We heard a loud bang and the crew was diving for cover (it turned out to be a car backfire). We then decided to fly a different flag.
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