Boat exchange

Jan 6, 2020
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Beneteau 331 Owen Sound
I’m sure this has been a topic before, but my searches haven’t been successful in finding past posts.
I’m looking to trade time on my Beneteau 331 on Georgian Bay during June thru August, and into September if you like brisk weather sailing, for time on a comparable sailboat in the Bahamas, or another comfortable sailing ground in the Caribbean, during the January-March timeframe. Is this the place to pursue this? Thanks.
 
Jun 21, 2004
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Beneteau 343 Slidell, LA
Please do your due diligence with regards to insurance & liabilty issues. Great idea; however, you could be setting yourself up for trouble if someone gets injured due to lack of maintenance or oversite, as well as damage to other boats & property. I once considered placing my boat in an existing charter service on the Gulf Coast; however, decided that the personal risk & risk of damage to my boat was not worth the minimal financial gain. I know that your idea is not the same as a charter operation, but there are similarities as pertains to liability.
 
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Jan 6, 2020
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Beneteau 331 Owen Sound
Certainly, this is an important issue. There are a number of places you can find the documentation you need to make binding agreements, like online boat exchanges. Then you need to clear them with your insurance company. I’ve done a boat exchange before, when I had a Freedom 30. Thanks for your note.
 
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Jun 4, 2009
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Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
As an owner, I don't believe there is anything that would get me to allow a stranger to cruise my boat. On the other side of the coin, I should think a bare boat charter, from a reputable company, would be the best option.
 
Jan 6, 2020
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Beneteau 331 Owen Sound
I’ve had good luck with exchanges between sailors. Bareboat rentals have been 50/50. I think sailors are a pretty good crowd. YMMV, of course.
 
Apr 8, 2010
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Ericson Yachts Olson 34 28400 Portland OR
Also, review carefully how your marina or yacht club would view the potential liability of a stranger (not a sworn member or or on the moorage contract) will operate the vessel, getting it in and out of a slip and possibly damaging another boat. In our club, such an arrangement would not be allowed for liability reasons.
 
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Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
If you have, I am simply wondering why you are asking the question. Is it only because of the location? If so, wouldn't it just make sense to ask "Anyone interested in a boat exchange in XYZ place between Dates...?"

Anyhoo, I've been boating since I was a kid and have owned boats since 1983 (I'm 80 now) and active in our Catalina Associations. I have personally never been exposed to a successful boat exchange or even heard of from anyone else I know, and I know hundreds if not thousands of fellow boaters personally. It just doesn't seem to work. I agree with capta's comment: in all the 28 years I've owned this boat there is only ONE OTHER PERSON that I have ever considered qualified enough to loan my boat to, and did. I wouldn't offer it to strangers. I don't have anything super special on my boat, it's pretty stock. But I draw the line at anyone who would come on and put the 1-2-B switch on B to start the engine! Shows they don't know enough to ask the right questions. I mention this only because a survey mechanic showed up unannounced and unexpectedly, and one day did just that!

No, my experience with exchanges is zilch. Probably for good reasons.

Care to share your good ones? I'm all ears.

I’ve had good luck with exchanges between sailors.
 
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Jun 21, 2004
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Beneteau 343 Slidell, LA
I have personally never been exposed to a successful boat exchange or even heard of from anyone else I know, and I know hundreds if not thousands of fellow boaters personally.
On the surface, it appears to be a novel concept; however, when risk/reward is taken into consideration, thats when things break down. Even though $$$ isn’t exchanged, you need a well detailed legal agreement defining obligations & liabilities of both parties & legal remedies when things go wrong (No, I am not an attorney!). Then consider the complications of enforcing that agreement, especially when the parties are not in same state. Both parties would need to review & sign off on inventory onboard , boat condition, & damages (if any) before & after. What are you going to do if someone goes hard aground causing thousands in damage & lengthy layup for repairs? Details of who is going to thoroughly clean, refuel, & pump out holding tank. The need to inform your insurance company & marina/yacht club with possibility of denial or increased rates. And personal acceptance of “do you really want someone else using your boat?”
These things can’t be addressed with a handshake. I agree with @capta that, all things considered, it’s probably better to charter a boat at a location that you would like to cruise after thoroughly vetting the quality of the company & it’s boats. I was fortunate to do business with an excellent charter club in Pensacola for five years; great people & well maintained boats, so I had first hand experience with the operation. It was costly; and, I had to have charter insurance with defined deductibles in the event that I damaged the boat. Fortunately that never happened!
Having said that, seems that I did read about an exchange program (online), years ago, that was trying to startup. As long as all your bases are covered legally, you’re willing to accept the potential problems that could occur, and finally willing to allow a stranger & his/her guests with unknown experience use your boat, then go for it!
 
Jan 6, 2020
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Beneteau 331 Owen Sound
So, here’s how a successful boat exchange came off. I was approached on a Freedom bb by a fellow Canadian who had a boat like mine in the Bahamas. He wanted to sail in the summer in the North Channel and I wanted to sail in the winter in the Bahamas. We talked over email, comparing histories and experiences and then over zoom or some other video and then I agreed to fly down there and we sailed together for a few days then later he came up here. No “strangers” sailing my boat and such. My insurance covered my boat, his his. I did have to captain my boat out of the club basin. No such restriction applied at his marina. In the end we parted company because we didn’t really get along and I wanted someone I liked on my boat and vice versa, not because of concerns over sailing skills. I’m close to 80 myself, next February I round that buoy, so this wasn’t my first rodeo. Fair winds.
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Perhaps it's my limited understanding of the letter S, but I simply remember that it denotes more than one. You detailed one, which is not what I asked. Have you had more? If so, I would still like to hear about the other(s) given the nature of the issue being IMHO both rare and potentially unsuccessful. Thanks.

I’ve had good luck with exchanges between sailors.
Care to share your good ones? I'm all ears.
here’s how a successful boat exchange came off.
bw,
 
Jan 6, 2020
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Beneteau 331 Owen Sound
Boy, you might have me there, Stu. I was referring to the multiple times we exchanged our Freedoms. Sorry I can’t give you more examples. If I run across another one here I’ll be sure to post it. Fair winds.
 
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Mar 23, 2017
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Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
This has been an interesting thread. It may be that the one example of successful boat exchange was between the same basic boat. While it ended due to personality discord, the times it was working may have a component to the similar boats.

I've never seen a boat exchange in the years I've sailed (approaching 6 decades), I have seen numerous examples of multiple owners of one boat - only one that was successful. Seems like an added complication level in a shared boat exchange.

For sure if you find another successful boat exchange example, I'd be interested in hearing about it.

From my side, I'd never even remotely entertain allowing someone to hop on my boat and go sail her...

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