Blue windshield anti-freeze

Nov 12, 2009
279
J/ 32 NCYC, Western Lake Erie
I'm wondering if anyone has considered, or actually used windshield washer anti-freeze to winterize things like heads, macerator, bilge, or washdown pumps? (Notice that I did NOT mention fresh water/potable systems or engines.) I have never seen the blue stuff turn to slush or solidify like the "redpop" does.
 
Jul 19, 2007
266
-Hunter 1995-40.5 Hunter Saint Andrews, New Brunswick, Canada
Windshield Washer Antifreeze

You bring up a good point, we buy the stuff up here that is rated at -40 to 50 celcius and it never freezes. We can get 5 gal jugs at the local auto parts store far cheaper than plumbing anti-freeze.

A couple of gallons of the pink stuff for potable water and the rest for the other lines, I wonder.
 
Feb 10, 2004
4,234
Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
I asked that question last year and I was duly chastised and whipped. I don't remember the reason but the answer was essentially "Don't be so cheap!"
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,244
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
i think there is something about the chemicals that it is made with that is not good for the systems
 
Sep 25, 2008
1,096
CS 30 Toronto
i think there is something about the chemicals that it is made with that is not good for the systems
that's what they like you to believe. windshield washer fluid sit in a plastic tank, runs in rubber hoses, and pumped to the windshield. may be the chemist can tell me otherwise. may be toxic to fish or something.
 
Mar 26, 2011
3,961
Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
a. Obviously windshield solution cannot be used in potable systems; methanol is toxic (very) and the Bitrex will have you spitting all summer.

b. The alcohol can evaporate. In a car you keep using it and the system is sealed, but the head, for example, is quite open.

c. Some mixes are flammable.

d. Methanol is hard on certain plastics. The system in your car is designed to methanol, your boat is not. Both PG and methanol craze clear strainers.

e. Corrosion. Quality PG winterizing fluids have effective anti-corrosion packages, windshield cleaners do not. I did corrosion coupon testing and the difference was sobering.

f. Even ethanol based RV winterizing fluids suck. Practical sailor just did a review, explaining the details based upon testing.

g. Yes, glycol fluids slush below zero, but that does not related to bursting. Take some, put it in your deep freeze in a glass jar, and try to get it to burst. You'll be surprised how difficult it is. Alcohol fluids transition to bursting more sharply... particularly after the alcohol evaporates while waiting from October into February.

You could use it, but most consider this penny wise and pound foolish. Save $4 and damage equipment. Ick. Buy quality fluids, make CERTAIN that it does not contain alcohol (even good brands often make a quality fluid and a price-point fluid using ethanol), and make certain that the material coming out the other end is fully treated (check the freeze point).
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
Lots of varieties and formulations but they all smell heavily of alcohol - methanol / ethanol. Alcohol is common ingredient in the cheaper RV antifreeze blends and is not friendly to many plastic, metal, and rubber parts. Ask the outboard motor guys about their damaged fuel lines and carb parts.
 
Nov 12, 2009
279
J/ 32 NCYC, Western Lake Erie
That's the kind of information I was hoping to get. Looks like a glycol product is the way to go.
 
Mar 26, 2011
3,961
Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
Lots of varieties and formulations but they all smell heavily of alcohol - methanol / ethanol. Alcohol is common ingredient in the cheaper RV antifreeze blends and is not friendly to many plastic, metal, and rubber parts. Ask the outboard motor guys about their damaged fuel lines and carb parts.
Windshield decicer is almost always methanol, as it is cheaper. Ethanol sells at slightly above gasoline prices, while methanol is made from natural gas and is not usable in gasoline (current regs--long story).

RV fluid can be either PG or ethanol. All formulas I have seen labeled as a marine are PG.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
RV fluid can be either PG or ethanol. All formulas I have seen labeled as a marine are PG.
Both. This stuff from Walmart has ethanol listed as the first ingredient, along with PG. The label warns about flammability. I quit using it after reading the excellent testing report in Practical Sailor.

 
Mar 26, 2011
3,961
Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
^^ And just to make it more complicated, there is no way to determine the FP of a blend.
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
Air has a pretty low freezing point! Why not put that in the lines? It is non toxic so you can use it in the potable water system, it will not attack the plastic, rubber or metal parts and it is free.
I use it all the time except in the bilge where that darn water keeps displacing it.
 
Jul 1, 2010
990
Catalina 350 Port Huron
My windshield washers never fail to freeze up when I need them most in the winter. Proof enough not to trust the stuff for winterizing my boat.

For the non-potable stuff (engine and head), I always just use a 50-50 mix of ethylene glycol and water. Cheap, effective, and actually environmentally friendly more or less. Just don't let the mammals drink it.
 
Oct 14, 2005
2,191
1983 Hunter H34 North East, MD
Blue windshield washer antifreeze...

It occurs to me that windshield washer fluid usually resides in a car's engine compartment, which receives regular heat after each engine warm-up, while boat water systems usually sit in the freezing cold all winter without benefit (usually) of any heat cycle while the boat is on the hard.

WM pink and purple are the logical and safe choice.
 
Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
Jan 1, 2006
7,994
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
I always just use a 50-50 mix of ethylene glycol and water. Cheap, effective, and actually environmentally friendly more or less.
Can you source this statement? I've previously thought that EG is very toxic to marine organisms like larvae, shrimp, small fish.
 
Mar 26, 2011
3,961
Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
Can you source this statement? I've previously thought that EG is very toxic to marine organisms like larvae, shrimp, small fish.
Both EG and PG are equally non-toxic to marine life. Some COD, yes, but at any realistic dilution rate, non-toxic. Mammals as a group are susceptable.

This has been well-studied by EPA and other with regard to airport runoff. Please read the links in the post, below. Additionally, PG is harder on plastcis than EG.

http://sail-delmarva.blogspot.com/2012/12/eg-vs-pg-conventional-wisdom-that-is.html
 
Jan 1, 2006
7,994
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
I consider it sourced. Thanks for updating my view. I won't freak out if I spill some in the driveway and it runs into our drain.
 
Jan 1, 2006
7,994
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
And this from the MSDS sheet for Prestone antifreeze:
DOT MARINE POLLUTANTS: This product does not contain Marine Pollutants as defined in 49 CFR 171.8.