Blue Water Boat Survey
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Jaydog you won't really know until you experience a boat at sea. We took a nice friend of our daughters sailing from Panama City to St joe a couple of years ago. I asked her a couple of times if she wanted some motion sickness pills and she said "no". My daughter and son in law didn't want any but they had been sailing with us before and knew what to expect. It wasn't a particularly rough day actually it was a near perfect day for sailing 15 knots 4-6' waves with the wind more or less on the beam. As we were leaving there were some big swells as we were leaving on a falling tide. Well the friend was puking before we were out of sight of the jetties and she puked all day. We spent the night anchored out and she was fine in the lee of pennisula. Next morning when we started back she started puking again as soon as we were in the open gulf. It is easy to say it's "no problem" out in weather with a light beamy boat bouncing from wave to wave. But when you are out there it's a different matter. Unlike our day sail with Catharine in blue water you get no rest during the night. My wife and I have slept down below in worse conditions than those that had Catharine puking for two days. I've never had our boat out in "bad" conditions but "normal" 15-20 knots 4-6' waves can get very tiring.
Jaydog you won't really know until you experience a boat at sea. We took a nice friend of our daughters sailing from Panama City to St joe a couple of years ago. I asked her a couple of times if she wanted some motion sickness pills and she said "no". My daughter and son in law didn't want any but they had been sailing with us before and knew what to expect. It wasn't a particularly rough day actually it was a near perfect day for sailing 15 knots 4-6' waves with the wind more or less on the beam. As we were leaving there were some big swells as we were leaving on a falling tide. Well the friend was puking before we were out of sight of the jetties and she puked all day. We spent the night anchored out and she was fine in the lee of pennisula. Next morning when we started back she started puking again as soon as we were in the open gulf. It is easy to say it's "no problem" out in weather with a light beamy boat bouncing from wave to wave. But when you are out there it's a different matter. Unlike our day sail with Catharine in blue water you get no rest during the night. My wife and I have slept down below in worse conditions than those that had Catharine puking for two days. I've never had our boat out in "bad" conditions but "normal" 15-20 knots 4-6' waves can get very tiring.
I have the skills needed to do it just not the boat
I am not lacking in the experince and skill just the vessel to push myself to the next level. I haven't seen everything, i'm sure not many have, but I am confident with my skills and would take on what ever is thrown at me. Since i can't try out every boat before I buy it I am looking for alot of opinions to help me make my desicion. I just am looking for what people think is the best type of boat to travel out off shore. Brand length and model. I know its just an opinon. Thanks everyone
I am not lacking in the experince and skill just the vessel to push myself to the next level. I haven't seen everything, i'm sure not many have, but I am confident with my skills and would take on what ever is thrown at me. Since i can't try out every boat before I buy it I am looking for alot of opinions to help me make my desicion. I just am looking for what people think is the best type of boat to travel out off shore. Brand length and model. I know its just an opinon. Thanks everyone
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jaydog - discussion has been done a million times
just go into the archives and type "blue water boat" There are lots of great boats I would take out and do this trip with but the biggest thing you forgot to put in there are some variables. The biggest one is cost. If you give me a million dollars I would be able to pick a lot of great boats. If you give me $40,000 then I'd have to investigate much more and see what the conditions of the boats were in. Your trip is not that outrageous for even a well found Production boat (Benhuntilina). Many do this trip to Bermuda or the Caribean annually. Here are just a few examples. One just recently was a Catalina 36 winning its class in Bermuda 1-2 this year and not only that was 2nd overall with corrected time . http://archives.sailboatowners.com/pviewarch.htm?fno=20&sku=2007187121923.13&id=484643&ptl=Catalina%2036%20wins%20class%20in%20Bermuda%201-2%20this%20year%20%21&id=484643 I know a fellow that did the Caribean 1500 a few years back in a Catalina 42 and did much better than the rest of the fleet, some of which were what one would call a "Blue Water" http://archives.sailboatowners.com/pviewarch.htm?fno=20&sku=2004097084203.21&id=249543&ptl=Hate%20to%20admit%20it%20but%20I%20like%20the%20new%20catalina%27s#2004098085442.26 Though since it seems like you asked for the "better or best" selection of boats for the task. Here is a small list of "better than average" boats for the trip. Hylas, Swan, Little Harbor, Halberg Rassey. Probably throw in Pacific Seacraft, and Crealocks and the Tartans are a cut above too. I'd say the new HR 37 or HR40 fits squarely in your description ( I am purposely keeping the typical Crab Crunchers off the list as we all know those names already, like WestSail's etc) There is one thing you must remember. Just because you might think you have the "ultimate blue water" boat doesn't mean you will be safe from the sea when she comes a callin'. Just a few months ago a beautiful 54' Little Harbor Sloop with four seasoned sailors were lost and never found (no trace of the boat or its crew). http://www.projo.com/news/content/boat_search15_05-15-07_D15KP07.35edabe.html http://www.4sailors.com/may07.html I would put a Little Harbor at the top of my list for well found boats. If those poor souls were sailing in a "Benehuntila" and lost, all those naysayers out there would be preaching from their soapbox that it they knew this would happen and these people were just "asking" for trouble. Fact is, its not that simple.
just go into the archives and type "blue water boat" There are lots of great boats I would take out and do this trip with but the biggest thing you forgot to put in there are some variables. The biggest one is cost. If you give me a million dollars I would be able to pick a lot of great boats. If you give me $40,000 then I'd have to investigate much more and see what the conditions of the boats were in. Your trip is not that outrageous for even a well found Production boat (Benhuntilina). Many do this trip to Bermuda or the Caribean annually. Here are just a few examples. One just recently was a Catalina 36 winning its class in Bermuda 1-2 this year and not only that was 2nd overall with corrected time . http://archives.sailboatowners.com/pviewarch.htm?fno=20&sku=2007187121923.13&id=484643&ptl=Catalina%2036%20wins%20class%20in%20Bermuda%201-2%20this%20year%20%21&id=484643 I know a fellow that did the Caribean 1500 a few years back in a Catalina 42 and did much better than the rest of the fleet, some of which were what one would call a "Blue Water" http://archives.sailboatowners.com/pviewarch.htm?fno=20&sku=2004097084203.21&id=249543&ptl=Hate%20to%20admit%20it%20but%20I%20like%20the%20new%20catalina%27s#2004098085442.26 Though since it seems like you asked for the "better or best" selection of boats for the task. Here is a small list of "better than average" boats for the trip. Hylas, Swan, Little Harbor, Halberg Rassey. Probably throw in Pacific Seacraft, and Crealocks and the Tartans are a cut above too. I'd say the new HR 37 or HR40 fits squarely in your description ( I am purposely keeping the typical Crab Crunchers off the list as we all know those names already, like WestSail's etc) There is one thing you must remember. Just because you might think you have the "ultimate blue water" boat doesn't mean you will be safe from the sea when she comes a callin'. Just a few months ago a beautiful 54' Little Harbor Sloop with four seasoned sailors were lost and never found (no trace of the boat or its crew). http://www.projo.com/news/content/boat_search15_05-15-07_D15KP07.35edabe.html http://www.4sailors.com/may07.html I would put a Little Harbor at the top of my list for well found boats. If those poor souls were sailing in a "Benehuntila" and lost, all those naysayers out there would be preaching from their soapbox that it they knew this would happen and these people were just "asking" for trouble. Fact is, its not that simple.
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