Blue Sanding dust all over our boat! What can we expect?
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Owner's Associations have no claim on
the actions of individuals. I was torn by MainseSail's comments, because one a**hole should not reflect badly on any organization. There have been 1,800 C34s produced since 1986. We have 700 members in the International Association. There are a handful of fleets around the country. We do not represent EVERY boat, only those who choose to join us. The picture is a C34, get the hull (or sail) # [off the transom of the boat] and post it here and I'll tell you if the idiot has anything to do with us. If not... This is between you and him, and you and your fellow boat owners, not the yard and not the EPA. Settle it like gentlemen, even if he isn't one. The downside to getting the yard involved is the potential for limiting future DIYers. Besides, it's like an argument between two children that you didn't see the start of. How can the yard guy judge what HE personally hasn't seen? Getting your other fellow sailors who have been blasted by this dirtbag together is a good idea, but you'll also have to convince THEM that he was the culprit, after all, they weren't there either. Stu C34IA Secretary
the actions of individuals. I was torn by MainseSail's comments, because one a**hole should not reflect badly on any organization. There have been 1,800 C34s produced since 1986. We have 700 members in the International Association. There are a handful of fleets around the country. We do not represent EVERY boat, only those who choose to join us. The picture is a C34, get the hull (or sail) # [off the transom of the boat] and post it here and I'll tell you if the idiot has anything to do with us. If not... This is between you and him, and you and your fellow boat owners, not the yard and not the EPA. Settle it like gentlemen, even if he isn't one. The downside to getting the yard involved is the potential for limiting future DIYers. Besides, it's like an argument between two children that you didn't see the start of. How can the yard guy judge what HE personally hasn't seen? Getting your other fellow sailors who have been blasted by this dirtbag together is a good idea, but you'll also have to convince THEM that he was the culprit, after all, they weren't there either. Stu C34IA Secretary
Wait til the sun hits those other boats
It will bake that blue color right into the gelcoat if it is not waxed. Another good reason to polish and wax your gelcoat. A couple of years ago this happened to me at a yard. We had just finished cleaning the deck the day before and returned to apply the wax to find the deck covered in blue. Unfortunately we did not get there until afternoon and the mixture of morning dew and sun baked it in. We spent the next 2 days scrubbing. Now she comes home with me. BTW, I had stripped my bottom down to gelcoat that year which included sanding. I used my porter cable DA sander hooked to my shopvac and only sanded on calm days. I would feel like sh&t if I did this to someone else and would certainly do what it took to fix it. I guess the lesson was lost on that other guy.
It will bake that blue color right into the gelcoat if it is not waxed. Another good reason to polish and wax your gelcoat. A couple of years ago this happened to me at a yard. We had just finished cleaning the deck the day before and returned to apply the wax to find the deck covered in blue. Unfortunately we did not get there until afternoon and the mixture of morning dew and sun baked it in. We spent the next 2 days scrubbing. Now she comes home with me. BTW, I had stripped my bottom down to gelcoat that year which included sanding. I used my porter cable DA sander hooked to my shopvac and only sanded on calm days. I would feel like sh&t if I did this to someone else and would certainly do what it took to fix it. I guess the lesson was lost on that other guy.
The guy next to me had his bottom sandblasted...
... by a professional (ha!). I came down to find my boat covered in a purple grit 1/4" deep in spots! Other boats were had grit on them as well but mine was the worst. Probably because I still had my blue poly tarp over it like a tent. With both the bow and stern ends of the tent open the wind created a venturi effect and drew the grit in to settle on my deck. Other, uncovered boats had most of the grit blown off. It was even inside my cabin, blown through the gaps in my hatch boards! It went in about 3'-4' from the companionway. I didn't want to sweep it off and grind the grit into the gecoat so I reluctently hosed it off as the better option. The water sort of re-constituted the paint particles and turned my deck maroon. I scrubbed it off trying various products a total of 5 times! Everytime it would rain more re-constituted paint particles would come up out of all the little nooks and crannies in my deck and stain the deck with purple streaks. The random nature of my H33.5's non-skid made this a very tough job. I know that that abrasive grit has imperceptably shortened the life of my running rigging, my standing rigging, my winches, blocks, solar powered vents and every other piece of equipment on my deck. The boat owner is a member of my sailing club . He told me he paid the marina to "Tent" his boat an put down ground cover because they required it and the sandblaster wouldn't do it. When I went to the marina manager (my marina is member owned, the manager is a paid employee) he blew it off at first. Unfortunately, we had a new manager who turned out to be short term because he p*ssed so many people off. After many back and forths with the manager and a different story each time it turned out that it was never tented. I figured that if I wanted the problem taken care of properly and in a timely manner so as not to cause any further damage or delay my launch, it was going to be up to me to handle it. Several other boat owners complained and received similar responses. I assume that this was one of the reasons why this manager was fired (I am not on the Board of Directors that made that decision but I applaud it). I'm happy to say that the new manager is a person of much higher caliber than the last one. He has been doing a great job and both slip owners and yard employees all seem to agree. I know he would have handled it entirely differently and I feel that I've even received a little extra consideration from him because he was aware of my ordeal (this all happened last spring). He is instituting new yard policies that will require among a other stuff, dustless sanders (which I already use).
... by a professional (ha!). I came down to find my boat covered in a purple grit 1/4" deep in spots! Other boats were had grit on them as well but mine was the worst. Probably because I still had my blue poly tarp over it like a tent. With both the bow and stern ends of the tent open the wind created a venturi effect and drew the grit in to settle on my deck. Other, uncovered boats had most of the grit blown off. It was even inside my cabin, blown through the gaps in my hatch boards! It went in about 3'-4' from the companionway. I didn't want to sweep it off and grind the grit into the gecoat so I reluctently hosed it off as the better option. The water sort of re-constituted the paint particles and turned my deck maroon. I scrubbed it off trying various products a total of 5 times! Everytime it would rain more re-constituted paint particles would come up out of all the little nooks and crannies in my deck and stain the deck with purple streaks. The random nature of my H33.5's non-skid made this a very tough job. I know that that abrasive grit has imperceptably shortened the life of my running rigging, my standing rigging, my winches, blocks, solar powered vents and every other piece of equipment on my deck. The boat owner is a member of my sailing club . He told me he paid the marina to "Tent" his boat an put down ground cover because they required it and the sandblaster wouldn't do it. When I went to the marina manager (my marina is member owned, the manager is a paid employee) he blew it off at first. Unfortunately, we had a new manager who turned out to be short term because he p*ssed so many people off. After many back and forths with the manager and a different story each time it turned out that it was never tented. I figured that if I wanted the problem taken care of properly and in a timely manner so as not to cause any further damage or delay my launch, it was going to be up to me to handle it. Several other boat owners complained and received similar responses. I assume that this was one of the reasons why this manager was fired (I am not on the Board of Directors that made that decision but I applaud it). I'm happy to say that the new manager is a person of much higher caliber than the last one. He has been doing a great job and both slip owners and yard employees all seem to agree. I know he would have handled it entirely differently and I feel that I've even received a little extra consideration from him because he was aware of my ordeal (this all happened last spring). He is instituting new yard policies that will require among a other stuff, dustless sanders (which I already use).
So, Pilot, after those accusations
what ever happened? Please don't leave us hangin'. Inquiring minds want to know...
what ever happened? Please don't leave us hangin'. Inquiring minds want to know...
accusations??????
hmmm, I posted what happened, no accusation! I talked to the owner of the business (chandlary sp?) that leases space from the yard owner. He knew EXACTLY who the culprit was as soon as I started to relate the story. It seems I was not the only one to complain. As far as evidence of who was responsible, LOL, all one needs to do is look for the stripped hull with the blue gravel underneath! Kind of hard to hide the fact that the guy with the Catalina 34 (Patriot) did it. Or else some strangers decided to do the guy a favor and prep the boats hull for him. As I previously posted, my boat got washed pretty clean by the nights rain. I reported the event to the yard business. As far as I am concerned, my boat is OK, I did what I needed to do, and now I'm busy trying to finish wiring so we can get the boat in the water. If you'd like the HIN on the boat, I'd be willing to PM it. Just let me know.
hmmm, I posted what happened, no accusation! I talked to the owner of the business (chandlary sp?) that leases space from the yard owner. He knew EXACTLY who the culprit was as soon as I started to relate the story. It seems I was not the only one to complain. As far as evidence of who was responsible, LOL, all one needs to do is look for the stripped hull with the blue gravel underneath! Kind of hard to hide the fact that the guy with the Catalina 34 (Patriot) did it. Or else some strangers decided to do the guy a favor and prep the boats hull for him. As I previously posted, my boat got washed pretty clean by the nights rain. I reported the event to the yard business. As far as I am concerned, my boat is OK, I did what I needed to do, and now I'm busy trying to finish wiring so we can get the boat in the water. If you'd like the HIN on the boat, I'd be willing to PM it. Just let me know.
Hull #, that's from reply #23
if he's one of ours, we'd like to know, in response to MaineSail's #16. Thanks in advance.
if he's one of ours, we'd like to know, in response to MaineSail's #16. Thanks in advance.
PM sent
I sent the hull number via PM. I'm curious to learn if he is a member of the owners group. FWIW: Every owners group has idiots.
I sent the hull number via PM. I'm curious to learn if he is a member of the owners group. FWIW: Every owners group has idiots.
Pilot, thanks, I agree that "Every owners group has idiots"
'Cept he just AIN'T ONE OF OUR IDIOTS. That hull # was last a member in 1991. Sorry we can't help, just have NO idea who this jerk could be. Thanks for following through.
'Cept he just AIN'T ONE OF OUR IDIOTS.
That hull # was last a member in 1991. Sorry we can't help, just have NO idea who this jerk could be. Thanks for following through.Serious Boat Yard
You might find the attached link interesting, coming from a serious boat yard, in an area of the country that apparently attempts to care about the environment and other users of the boatyard. A couple of specific clauses in their contracts/yard rules: "It is also your responsibility to read and comply with posted B.M.P.’s., NONCOMPLIANCE WITH BMPs WILL RESULT IN A MINIMUM $250 FEE." "All sanding or grinding must be done in a fully contained enclosure. Vacuum sanding allowed if no fugitive dust is visible, otherwise work area must be fully enclosed. Seaview can erect tents or provide materials. NO EXCEPTIONS. NO SANDING BELOW THE WATERLINE OR WET SANDING ALLOWED." That being said, the last several times I hauled, I received a "notice" that talked about "the boatyard blues" - and it wasn't a story about how much my work was going to cost - it was a sort of disclosure that, inspite of the efforts that the yard makes and requires to contain dust and overspray, it sometimes "goes with the territory". Good Luck! Tim Brogan April IV C350 #68 Seattle
You might find the attached link interesting, coming from a serious boat yard, in an area of the country that apparently attempts to care about the environment and other users of the boatyard. A couple of specific clauses in their contracts/yard rules: "It is also your responsibility to read and comply with posted B.M.P.’s., NONCOMPLIANCE WITH BMPs WILL RESULT IN A MINIMUM $250 FEE." "All sanding or grinding must be done in a fully contained enclosure. Vacuum sanding allowed if no fugitive dust is visible, otherwise work area must be fully enclosed. Seaview can erect tents or provide materials. NO EXCEPTIONS. NO SANDING BELOW THE WATERLINE OR WET SANDING ALLOWED." That being said, the last several times I hauled, I received a "notice" that talked about "the boatyard blues" - and it wasn't a story about how much my work was going to cost - it was a sort of disclosure that, inspite of the efforts that the yard makes and requires to contain dust and overspray, it sometimes "goes with the territory". Good Luck! Tim Brogan April IV C350 #68 Seattle
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