DayDreamer, it's not your investment, its your life. If the boat sinks at the dock, you get an insurance payout (You do have insurance don't you?) If your boat sinks in the middle of Lake Huron, well, your beneficiaries will get a payout.
Bilge Pump Comparison Rule vs Jabsco
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With regards to the sinking of the Bounty, it might be informative to read these 2 links:
USCG Releases Investigation Report Into Tall Ship Bounty Sinking – gCaptain
and
https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/MAB1403.pdf
After reading these reports, feel free to draw your own conclusions.
USCG Releases Investigation Report Into Tall Ship Bounty Sinking – gCaptain
and
https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/MAB1403.pdf
After reading these reports, feel free to draw your own conclusions.
"And, let us not forget the leaking water coming in thru the hull slats." "hull slats"? Really? Do you mean planks, planking? I'm sorry but your credibility is leaking away, at this point.
Wow, and you sure do assume a lot. You assume, as a professional seafarer and captain, I did not read the official report. Hum, very interesting.
And you seem so much better informed than myself and Captain Jan Miles, not to mention the dozens other professional captains who make their living operating tall ships and other sailing vessels, with whom this incident was discussed in depth, in order to prevent a recurrence.
However, your qualifications as a master mariner and tall ship captain aside, you still have yet to explain why YOU labeled Capt. Robin Walbridge with so many asterisks. Did you actually KNOW the man (not just met, but know)? Sail with him?
Come on now, "inquiring minds want to know".
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@dlochner I knew that choice of words were somehow going to put me in a bind, and yes I wouldn't leave home without it, insurance is not just a requirement in my opinion its a necessity.
@capta and @The Shadow Knows really, lets not carry this bounty thing any further, she sunk, opinions, speculation and argumentative banter will not bring her up any sooner.......
Now back to bilge pumps........
I'm sorry, but that discussion is NOT about the Bounty, but disparaging a respected member of the sailing community. I wanted to understand on what basis the comments were made. I still do.
Lets make a distinction between regular bilge pumps and emergency pumps. The usual bilge pumps are mere convenience items to automatically expel incidental water that collects in the bilge. Emergency pumps are high volume gusher pumps powered manually or electrically. We had a high volume 120V sump pump with its own discharge port which could be automatically operated. It was powered at the dock with shorepower or could be powered underway with a generator. We also had a manual gusher pump which could be operated from the cockpit.
That is the approach I took...
The smaller bottom pump pumps out through a vented loop and a small unused thru-hull. It is there primarily as a nuisance pump when the boat sits in the yard on stands. Another advantage of the small nuisance pump is that it has a smaller shorter line so there isn't much drain-back when it shuts off.
The middle and high pump are Rule 2000's and they exit via a vented loop and at the stern above the waterline. When we got the boat the line from the pump to overboard was so convoluted there was little or no flow from the pump. I went to better lines and a more direct route and now I can fill that bottom deeper bilge area where the pumps are and it empties in less than a minute.
More on the whole install here...
http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/endeavour-plumbing/page-16.html
Sumner
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1300 miles to The Bahamas and Back in the Mac...
Endeavour 37 Mods...
MacGregor 26-S Mods...
Mac Trips to Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Canada, Florida, Bahamas
Thanks Sumner for sharing your pump installation. I like the pvc use.
If you don't already have a garboard drain plug, I would consider adding one. They are inexpensive and super easy to install. It would drain any major leak while on the hard and not require electric current. I open mine each fall and disconnect all the batteries both to maintain their charge and prevent an electrical fire. I reinstall it in the spring along with new zincs before launch. Great peace of mind.
If you don't already have a garboard drain plug, I would consider adding one. They are inexpensive and super easy to install. It would drain any major leak while on the hard and not require electric current. I open mine each fall and disconnect all the batteries both to maintain their charge and prevent an electrical fire. I reinstall it in the spring along with new zincs before launch. Great peace of mind.
I never heard of them until about the time we left the yard last year. It is now on my to-do list for all the reasons you stated. Hopefully before we leave this time.
I don't have the boat connected to 110v when we aren't there and the solar keeps the batteries up but I'm interested in how your batteries are when you return to the boat not being charged for 6 months or so? If this is working well for you and the batteries are still topped off upon return I might try that also, thanks,
Sumner
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1300 miles to The Bahamas and Back in the Mac...
Endeavour 37 Mods...
MacGregor 26-S Mods...http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/endeavour-main/endeavour-index.html
Mac Trips to Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Canada, Florida, Bahamas
Batteries do quite well if fully charged, with adequate electrolyte over the winter. The colder it is the better as the chemical reactions that lead to discharge decrease with cold. For the past 20 or so years, I've left my batteries fully charged over the winter with no noticeable loss of service. Of course, the boat is in upstate NY where it is cold. A boat left for six months in Florida might well have a different experience.
I am certainly happy I started this thread as it has yielded some great conversations and ideas, thanks all and keep the discussion going.
As for the batteries through the winter, I to just disconnect and leave on board as long as they are topped off and at full charge they will do just fine, I just can't see myself offloading and charging 6 heavy Trojan batteries when they seem to just fine on their own.
As for the batteries through the winter, I to just disconnect and leave on board as long as they are topped off and at full charge they will do just fine, I just can't see myself offloading and charging 6 heavy Trojan batteries when they seem to just fine on their own.
When totally disconnected in cold weather batteries generally do not discharge much. With group 24 batteries disconnected in Oct/Nov and reconnected in April/May they only drop about .1 to .2 volts from 12.7+.
This year one was only about 12.58 when disconnected so I am curious how it will be this spring.
This year one was only about 12.58 when disconnected so I am curious how it will be this spring.
Hello all, rather than starting a new thread I thought I would just post in this one. I have an 88 Catalina 30 MKII. This other day was doing some routine cleaning and maintenance and must have hit the manual on for the bilge pump. It was a Jabsco 18490 1750 GPH pump, and when I finally realized what happened the impeller was pretty much destroyed. So I go to the internets and find out that Jabsco no longer makes the 18490 and the Rule 10 is the replacement. I bought the Rule 10 and the base is smaller. Is it safe to screw the base into the bilge since the current screw holes don’t line up, or is just one good enough, or did I get the incorrect pump? Thanks.