How come there is 400# of lead ingots in the bilge? Was this to compensate for the weight of the inboard that was removed? Was this to make for a better ride? W/O this weight, would it sail bow down? Gordon V961
Bilge lead
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How do you know its 400 lbs? lol
And... where is your bilge pump? lol
I guess the last guy didnt like leaning over much.
And... where is your bilge pump? lol
I guess the last guy didnt like leaning over much.
Who knows, maybe it will sail better (unless you flip i guess).In my experience, everything gets shoved into all of the aft storage anyway. "gazuum@... [AlbinVega]" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com wrote:
How come there is 400# of lead ingots in the bilge? Was this to compensate for the weight of the inboard that was removed? Was this to make for a better ride? W/O this weight, would it sail bow down? Gordon V961
How come there is 400# of lead ingots in the bilge? Was this to compensate for the weight of the inboard that was removed? Was this to make for a better ride? W/O this weight, would it sail bow down? Gordon V961
Do you mean there are lumps (ingots) of lead lying loose in the bilge?
I suppose it might stiffen the boat but there is more than adequate glassed in ballast placed to balance the boat.
I would strongly suggest removing the lead ingots as unnecessary! There are a number of articles that suggest that adding ballast will make the sailing performance of any boat worse. Marine architects spend many hours calculating the amount and placement of ballast. If the Vega was a one-off prototype than it is possible that a mistake had been made. The pedigree of the Vega shows the design to be robust and ballasted correctly.
Do you suppose he was smuggling gold disguised as lead ingot? (chuckle)
Paul
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I suppose it might stiffen the boat but there is more than adequate glassed in ballast placed to balance the boat.
I would strongly suggest removing the lead ingots as unnecessary! There are a number of articles that suggest that adding ballast will make the sailing performance of any boat worse. Marine architects spend many hours calculating the amount and placement of ballast. If the Vega was a one-off prototype than it is possible that a mistake had been made. The pedigree of the Vega shows the design to be robust and ballasted correctly.
Do you suppose he was smuggling gold disguised as lead ingot? (chuckle)
Paul
Double Fantansy
Is the lead in addition to the engine or was the engine removed? Do not toss it in the garbage as it's worth at least $300.00 as scrap. I melt lead down for fishing sinkers.
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Do you mean there are lumps (ingots) of lead lying loose in the bilge?
I suppose it might stiffen the boat but there is more than adequate glassed in ballast placed to balance the boat.I would strongly suggest removing the lead ingots as unnecessary! There are a number of articles that suggest that adding ballast will make the sailing performance of any boat worse. Marine architects spend many hours calculating the amount and
placement of ballast. If the Vega was a one-off prototype than it is possible that a mistake had been made. The pedigree of the Vega shows the design to be robust and ballasted correctly.
Do you suppose he was smuggling gold disguised as lead ingot? (chuckle)Paul
Double Fantansy
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Do you mean there are lumps (ingots) of lead lying loose in the bilge?
I suppose it might stiffen the boat but there is more than adequate glassed in ballast placed to balance the boat.I would strongly suggest removing the lead ingots as unnecessary! There are a number of articles that suggest that adding ballast will make the sailing performance of any boat worse. Marine architects spend many hours calculating the amount and
placement of ballast. If the Vega was a one-off prototype than it is possible that a mistake had been made. The pedigree of the Vega shows the design to be robust and ballasted correctly.
Do you suppose he was smuggling gold disguised as lead ingot? (chuckle)
Paul Double Fantansy
Scrap lead price now around $0.65 per lb. I remember when the tire
stores used to pay to have their scrap wheel weights hauled away.
They would give you all you wanted to melt down for fishing. Was
good for those big halibut weights.
Yes, the engine was removed and it has a 6hp Yamaha 2 stroke that
weighs little. Probably some weight well fastened down somewhere in
the stern wouldn't hurt, especially with a full water tank forward.
BTW, got the last of the lead out today for a total of 379# just
lying in there. The last 3 ingots weighed 50 # each. Try reaching
down in there with 1 hand trying to pull those suckers out. Managed
to get a strap around them and lift them out.
Gordon
On 2/21/2018 8:02 AM, walt judy brown
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stores used to pay to have their scrap wheel weights hauled away.
They would give you all you wanted to melt down for fishing. Was
good for those big halibut weights.
Yes, the engine was removed and it has a 6hp Yamaha 2 stroke that
weighs little. Probably some weight well fastened down somewhere in
the stern wouldn't hurt, especially with a full water tank forward.
BTW, got the last of the lead out today for a total of 379# just
lying in there. The last 3 ingots weighed 50 # each. Try reaching
down in there with 1 hand trying to pull those suckers out. Managed
to get a strap around them and lift them out.
Gordon
On 2/21/2018 8:02 AM, walt judy brown
allore bestvega@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
Recommend putting more easily removed ballast back in the bilge. Until you find a sweet spot for trim. Pacifico or Corona would be my recommendation. Yeah, I used to get wheel weights right outside the tire stores. They'd
balance the tires and they'd fall off as they left the entrance. New weights don't melt very easy and I'm not sure what they are made from. How much weight did you use for the halibut and how deep did you fish them? Walt
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Scrap lead price now around $0.65 per lb. I remember when the tire stores used to pay to have their scrap wheel weights hauled away. They would give you all you wanted to melt down for fishing. Was good for those big halibut weights.
Yes, the engine was removed and it has a 6hp Yamaha 2 stroke that weighs little. Probably some weight well fastened down somewhere in the stern wouldn't hurt, especially with a full water tank forward.
BTW, got the last of the lead out today for a total of 379# just lying in there. The last 3 ingots weighed 50 # each. Try reaching down in there with 1 hand trying to pull those suckers out. Managed to get a strap around them and lift them out.
GordonOn 2/21/2018 8:02 AM, walt judy brown allore
bestvega@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
balance the tires and they'd fall off as they left the entrance. New weights don't melt very easy and I'm not sure what they are made from. How much weight did you use for the halibut and how deep did you fish them? Walt
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Scrap lead price now around $0.65 per lb. I remember when the tire stores used to pay to have their scrap wheel weights hauled away. They would give you all you wanted to melt down for fishing. Was good for those big halibut weights.
Yes, the engine was removed and it has a 6hp Yamaha 2 stroke that weighs little. Probably some weight well fastened down somewhere in the stern wouldn't hurt, especially with a full water tank forward.
BTW, got the last of the lead out today for a total of 379# just lying in there. The last 3 ingots weighed 50 # each. Try reaching down in there with 1 hand trying to pull those suckers out. Managed to get a strap around them and lift them out.
GordonOn 2/21/2018 8:02 AM, walt judy brown allore
bestvega@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
Fished Neah Bay (Wa State) a lot. Had a sweet spot that
consistently produced 65# fish. It was the top of a small hill at
475 ft generally using 22 to 28 ounces of lead.
I was on the Pacific Fisheries Council representing sportsmen also.
Was interesting but very political. We parted ways when I hardily
disagreed on a halibut issue. Of course I lost and was not invited
back. They were forced to change their position a year later. Oh
well.
BTW, I prefer Dos Equis when I drink beer!
On another thought. Is their any particular difficulty in removing
the plug in the bottom of the bilge?
Thanks
Gordon
On 2/21/2018 11:13 PM, walt judy brown
allore bestvega@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
consistently produced 65# fish. It was the top of a small hill at
475 ft generally using 22 to 28 ounces of lead.
I was on the Pacific Fisheries Council representing sportsmen also.
Was interesting but very political. We parted ways when I hardily
disagreed on a halibut issue. Of course I lost and was not invited
back. They were forced to change their position a year later. Oh
well.
BTW, I prefer Dos Equis when I drink beer!
On another thought. Is their any particular difficulty in removing
the plug in the bottom of the bilge?
Thanks
Gordon
On 2/21/2018 11:13 PM, walt judy brown
allore bestvega@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
Hi Gordon,In response to your plug question, I had my 1970 Vega "Bucanero" out three years ago and found the plug was unmovable so I drilled it out. Now the question was should it be replaced with a new non-metric plug (available in the USA) or close it off. I chose to put in a new plug seeing advantages in having the ability to drain the bilge when the boat is out of the water. I've heard many close this hole up, but I thought keeping the option "open" was a better choice for me. I guess my point is to expect the plug to be difficult or impossible to save when you get the boat out and be in a position to decide to re-plug or not to plug! That is "THE" question! Hal
This boat is going to be a trailer sailer so I want to have a
removable plug. That said, after you drilled it out, how did you go
about replacing it?
Thanks
Gordon
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halandcindy@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
removable plug. That said, after you drilled it out, how did you go
about replacing it?
Thanks
Gordon
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Thanks Gordon, Lyric has recently been replaced with a 22 ft I/O cuddy cabin. I t came with charts for the local halibut hotspots down here in Brooking Oregon. I can hardly wait for the season to open!
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Fished Neah Bay (Wa State) a lot. Had a sweet spot that consistently produced 65# fish. It was the top of a small hill at 475 ft generally using 22 to 28 ounces of lead.
I was on the Pacific Fisheries Council representing sportsmen also. Was interesting but very political. We parted ways when I hardily disagreed on a halibut issue. Of course I lost and was not invited back. They were forced to change their position a year
later. Oh well.
BTW, I prefer Dos Equis when I drink beer!
On another thought. Is their any particular difficulty in removing the plug in the bottom of the bilge?
Thanks
Gordon
On 2/21/2018 11:13 PM, walt judy brown allore
bestvega@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
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Fished Neah Bay (Wa State) a lot. Had a sweet spot that consistently produced 65# fish. It was the top of a small hill at 475 ft generally using 22 to 28 ounces of lead.
I was on the Pacific Fisheries Council representing sportsmen also. Was interesting but very political. We parted ways when I hardily disagreed on a halibut issue. Of course I lost and was not invited back. They were forced to change their position a year
later. Oh well.
BTW, I prefer Dos Equis when I drink beer!
On another thought. Is their any particular difficulty in removing the plug in the bottom of the bilge?
Thanks
Gordon
On 2/21/2018 11:13 PM, walt judy brown allore
bestvega@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
I believe Steve over in the UK has replacement sets. Female receptacle and male plug. I was never able to get Lyric's plug out. If i was going to be doing this again I'd use teflon tape on the male threads and plumbers
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This boat is going to be a trailer sailer so I want to have a removable plug. That said, after you drilled it out, how did you go about replacing it?
Thanks
Gordon
On 2/22/2018 8:57 AM,
halandcindy@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
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This boat is going to be a trailer sailer so I want to have a removable plug. That said, after you drilled it out, how did you go about replacing it?
Thanks
Gordon
On 2/22/2018 8:57 AM,
halandcindy@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
I assume that is an ocean fishery. Take your charts and look for
seamounts. Fish the tops of the mounts and let out line as you drift
off. Don't drift up the side of the mount, you'll hang up and lose
your rig. Use a fairly long drop leader on your sinker if fishing
with bait.
I worked the Port Angeles halibut derby for a couple years. We
would open and inspect the stomachs to make sure they weren't loaded
with lead. I also recorded sex and stomach contents. By far the
favorite food was small red rock crabs (2 inchers + -). You might
make yourself a jig by using a large jig head and sliding a large
orange or red hoochie down over it. Put the hoochie on upside down
so it spreads out like crab legs. A little smelly jelly or chunk of
bait never hurts either. Also, if you come off the bottom a little,
keep working the jig. Halibut eyes are on top so they see things
above them.
Alaskaflyfish can probably add to this conversation.
Gordon
On 2/22/2018 10:45 AM, walt judy brown
allore bestvega@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
seamounts. Fish the tops of the mounts and let out line as you drift
off. Don't drift up the side of the mount, you'll hang up and lose
your rig. Use a fairly long drop leader on your sinker if fishing
with bait.
I worked the Port Angeles halibut derby for a couple years. We
would open and inspect the stomachs to make sure they weren't loaded
with lead. I also recorded sex and stomach contents. By far the
favorite food was small red rock crabs (2 inchers + -). You might
make yourself a jig by using a large jig head and sliding a large
orange or red hoochie down over it. Put the hoochie on upside down
so it spreads out like crab legs. A little smelly jelly or chunk of
bait never hurts either. Also, if you come off the bottom a little,
keep working the jig. Halibut eyes are on top so they see things
above them.
Alaskaflyfish can probably add to this conversation.
Gordon
On 2/22/2018 10:45 AM, walt judy brown
allore bestvega@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
I extracted the old plug (it wasn't hard as it had some galvanic corrosion) and bought a new bronze thru hull fully threaded mushroom head fitting the next size up from the old metric one (of course in the USA it was not metric!). I also bought a threaded end cap for the new fitting. I bored out the old hole to accommodate the new fitting and using the supplied nut AND a large bronze washer, caulked it up nice and snugged it down. Works great. I can't remember the OD size I used but it will be easy to figure out! I hope this helps. Hal
I agree with everything you said concerning halibut fishing technique. Octopus works really well as well as fresh herring. In fact, while trolling for Kings using herring I regularly catch chickens (small halibut) which becomes annoying.
Gordon, thanks for the tips. I hadn't herd about using an upside down hoochie over it. A fond cruising memory was a 10 lb California Halibut caught in Puerto Ensanada while jigging a little rubber Scampi for sand bass.
Would you email off the group at bestvega@...?
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I assume that is an ocean fishery. Take your charts and look for seamounts. Fish the tops of the mounts and let out line as you drift off. Don't drift up the side of the mount, you'll hang up and lose your rig. Use a fairly long drop leader on your sinker
if fishing with bait.
I worked the Port Angeles halibut derby for a couple years. We would open and inspect the stomachs to make sure they weren't loaded with lead. I also recorded sex and stomach contents. By far the favorite food was small red rock crabs (2 inchers + -). You
might make yourself a jig by using a large jig head and sliding a large orange or red hoochie down over it. Put the hoochie on upside down so it spreads out like crab legs. A little smelly jelly or chunk of bait never hurts either. Also, if you come off the
bottom a little, keep working the jig. Halibut eyes are on top so they see things above them.
Alaskaflyfish can probably add to this conversation.
GordonOn 2/22/2018 10:45 AM, walt judy brown allore
bestvega@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
Would you email off the group at bestvega@...?
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I assume that is an ocean fishery. Take your charts and look for seamounts. Fish the tops of the mounts and let out line as you drift off. Don't drift up the side of the mount, you'll hang up and lose your rig. Use a fairly long drop leader on your sinker
if fishing with bait.
I worked the Port Angeles halibut derby for a couple years. We would open and inspect the stomachs to make sure they weren't loaded with lead. I also recorded sex and stomach contents. By far the favorite food was small red rock crabs (2 inchers + -). You
might make yourself a jig by using a large jig head and sliding a large orange or red hoochie down over it. Put the hoochie on upside down so it spreads out like crab legs. A little smelly jelly or chunk of bait never hurts either. Also, if you come off the
bottom a little, keep working the jig. Halibut eyes are on top so they see things above them.
Alaskaflyfish can probably add to this conversation.
GordonOn 2/22/2018 10:45 AM, walt judy brown allore
bestvega@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
Tim, good to know. I was planning on using frozen herring and squid combo with a little Boone glow in the dark hoochie. if I see any bait balls I'll drop some bait jigs. Frozen is what I have from the last time they made
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I agree with everything you said concerning halibut fishing technique. Octopus works really well as well as fresh herring. In fact, while trolling for Kings using herring I regularly catch chickens (small halibut) which becomes annoying.
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I agree with everything you said concerning halibut fishing technique. Octopus works really well as well as fresh herring. In fact, while trolling for Kings using herring I regularly catch chickens (small halibut) which becomes annoying.