Beta INstall Booklet

Mar 6, 2012
53
Hans,

I attached it to the other email, but it probably was lost in the clutter.
This should be easier to download.
--
Chris Brown
You may delay, but time will not.
* -- Benjamin Franklin*[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 
Nov 13, 2013
20
Chris- there was a note at the end of your message that read 'non text portions of this message have been removed'. If it wouldn't be too much of an imposition, would you be able to directly e-mail a copy to me at drmegsdad@....Thanks so much in advance / it is greatly appreciated / HansSent from my iPad
 
Nov 13, 2013
20
I finally phrased my query differently, found Beta's install directions and drawings. These should help immensely. I am starting to feel better about the actual engine installation and the alignment.Thanks for all the tips and resource hints. I think that after reading a little more regarding the plumbing, diesel storage options and storage I should be able to start.Again, thanks for everything and once I start early next year I am sure I'll be back on here asking more questions.Again / Thanks / HansSent from my iPad
 
Nov 13, 2013
20
I took measurements of the existing engine mounts in my original gas Vega. Across the beam the Beta mount centers are approx. 50 mm (2") wider, and missing the top of the existing engine bed. It appears I am going to have to fabricate a mounting plate for the Beta engine. I was wondering if anyone had gone through this in the past and could offer some guidance. Also wondering about horizontal alignment issues, if any, with this approach. Thanks in advance / Hans
 
Oct 31, 2019
303
Yes you do have to fabricate mounting plates. The pictures in the installation booklet I sent out show those. I did my install several years ago and don't have the exact measurements but here is what I did.

First, you need to purchase mild steel flat stock (you don't need stainless since the entire engine and Beta mounts are made from regular steel anyway). Get the steel long enough to cover the length of each of the Vega mounting beds. The width should be such that they are slightly wider than the bed. The thickness, probably 1/4 inch, maybe a little thicker (enough so you can tap a good thread). Steveb probably has the exact measurements. and when I am on the boat this weekend I will measure them and report back.

Measure the exact location of the existing mounting holes in the engine bed (I believe they fiberglass a metal bar inside the bed as these holes are tapped). Then drill holes in the steel plates to match those holes. Then figure out where the Beta mounts will be attached and drill and tap mounting holes for the mount fittings. One note, I didn't have a very good drill and tap when I did the first hole (one I had purchased as some store catering to amateurs) and it was miserable drilling the first hole even with cutting oil, and I broke the first tap). But then I went to a bolt store (Tacoma Screw in the Seattle area) that caters to the pros. I bought an expensive bit and an appropriate tap for the hole to match the mounting bolts actually).

When I went back to drill the next hole it cut through so fast I couldn't believe it, like drilling through wood). Anyway, once that is done, I sprayed the plates with some good zinc based paint designed for this purpose, then sprayed them again with white paint. I bolted the plates to the Vega beds.

To get the Volvo out and the Beta in I build a very crude cradle to sit in the cabin out of some scrap 1X8s and a piece of plywood (the engine has to come out the companion way). I had another fellow helping and I used a
sling from the boom to take up a little pressure (tip -- take your main
halyard directly to the sling on the boom to take up the pressure so
there is no horizontal leverage on the boom -- secure the sling fore and aft with a small line). I made another little bridle from some halyard line I had lying around. Then we worked the Volvo onto my crude cabin cradle. Then after my blood pressure returned to normal, the crane lifted the Volvo out as I guided it. Putting the Beta in was the reverse process. The Beta weighs much less than the Volvo so it was much easier. (However, seeing my several thousand dollar engine dangling 15 feet in the air was heart stopping.) Then it was a simple matter of sliding the Beta off my little cabin sole cradle and onto the engine bed. I guess SteveB has lifted the engines in and out with the boom, but I had the boat in the yard and I am too old to deal with that (the yard crane cost me $75 for the time to do the work, much cheaper than paying for a heart attack!)

Couple other thoughts. When I did mine I took a small drill press right down to the boat. Oh one other thing that made my life easier was that I have a friend who rebuilds old cars and I borrowed his engine crane to get the Beta in and out of my pickup bed (take off the tailgate and you can roll the engine well into the bed). If you need to you could rent one from most rental stores (or buy one for a few hundred from a place like Harbor Freight (USA chain) -- amazing how handy they can be around a shop and they do fold for storage).

Oh, I was asked what I did with my old Volvo (that was really toast and needed a few thousand dollars of repair if it was ever going to work). I belong to an organization that teaches dozens of courses on boating, from navigation to electrical to engine maintenance. The engine maintenance instructor was thrilled to get my old Volvo as he could use it in his course. He took everything I took out of the boat including the old water lift muffler. Oh, and Beta sells a great fitting that goes from the transom mount, straight up and then the exhaust hose attaches to that, so no big loop is needed (don't know what it is called). They also sell a transom fitting that requires a hole exactly the size of the outside measurement of the exhaust fitting that is on the beta. So it was simple to take a hole saw around the fitting and drill it out of the boat, much simpler than trying to unbolt the existing fitting.
That was my experience. I am sure others have different methods and far more experience.
 
Nov 13, 2013
20
Chris- Thanks for the info.. My original engine was the gas version ( a cheap Swedish made one if I am not mistaken) and has way different mounts. The Beta holes are off the engine bed (both sides) along the beam direction. I figure I will need to fabricate a more extensive support but then again that just adds to the challenge and ultimately the sense of accomplishment once the goal has been attained. Regardless I am up for it and would still love to hear from anyone that has converted a gas Vega to a Beta diesel Vega.I am also sooooo thankful for all the assists, tip and information thus far. I will also try and document so there will be some help for any who follow.Sent from my iPad
 
Nov 8, 2001
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Hi Hans

Contact me off group at steve@... and I can send you a
Petrol Install Guide and will dig up the drawings for the bearer plates for the
Gas Vega.

Cheers

Steve b
From: Hans Sand big
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 7:12 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Beta INstall Booklet
Chris- Thanks for the info.. My original engine was the gas
version ( a cheap Swedish made one if I am not mistaken) and has way different
mounts. The Beta holes are off the engine bed (both sides) along the beam
direction. I figure I will need to fabricate a more extensive support but
then again that just adds to the challenge and ultimately the sense of
accomplishment once the goal has been attained. Regardless I am up for it
and would still love to hear from anyone that has converted a gas Vega to a Beta
diesel Vega.

I am also sooooo thankful for all the assists, tip and information thus
far. I will also try and document so there will be some help for any who
follow.Sent from my iPad
On Dec 6, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Chris Brown svflyaway@...
wrote:
 
Nov 13, 2013
20
I have had my plates made and Beta engine support holes threaded. The original threaded holes for the original gas engine are rusted and need to be re-tapped. Does anyone know the original bolts used for this purpose so I can get the correct size thread tap? Thanks in advance..... Hans