Hello Catalina Experts! Thank you for reading my post. Do to unfortunate circumstances, I will soon own a 1987 Catalina 27 and have not experience or interest in sailing. What is the best method of getting the boat appraised and sold as soon as possible. Thank you again and happy sailing to you.
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The best way or the fastest
the fastest is to place it for sale with a yacht broker. They get 10% or $2000 which every is more. A 1987 Catalina 27 sells for around $8000 to $14000. Some people think they are worth more but not really! You can sell the boat yourself and give someone the 10% discount. I would recommend this site's boats for sale.
the fastest is to place it for sale with a yacht broker. They get 10% or $2000 which every is more. A 1987 Catalina 27 sells for around $8000 to $14000. Some people think they are worth more but not really! You can sell the boat yourself and give someone the 10% discount. I would recommend this site's boats for sale.
Missing Engine...
Thanks, Jim! The boat is in good condition but is without an engine. Would it be worth it to install an engine before selling it?
Thanks, Jim! The boat is in good condition but is without an engine. Would it be worth it to install an engine before selling it?
Timing may be important
In the Midwest, where we can only sail from Spring thru the Fall, the prevailing wisdom is that the best time to sell a boat is Spring. The buyers are optimistic and can "see" themselves sailing the boat. Hence, a higher price. Best time to buy a boat is the Fall -- the seller's optimism is dulled by the practicalities of upkeep plus the fact that they may not be sailing the boat much. They're now really ready to sell the asset...often at a lower price. If the boat is in a location where the sailing is year round vs. seasonal, the timing might not be as important. Just a thought.
In the Midwest, where we can only sail from Spring thru the Fall, the prevailing wisdom is that the best time to sell a boat is Spring. The buyers are optimistic and can "see" themselves sailing the boat. Hence, a higher price. Best time to buy a boat is the Fall -- the seller's optimism is dulled by the practicalities of upkeep plus the fact that they may not be sailing the boat much. They're now really ready to sell the asset...often at a lower price. If the boat is in a location where the sailing is year round vs. seasonal, the timing might not be as important. Just a thought.
You'll get broad exposure here.....
On this site. NADA boat values will give you a range of value for free, looks like between 14-16K with a 14hp diesel. Probably 10k less without an engine. http://www.boats.com/nada/nada.jsp Dave Groshong Customer Service SailboatOwners.com Toll Free 877-932-7245 ext.116, Mon-Fri, 9-5 Pacific
On this site. NADA boat values will give you a range of value for free, looks like between 14-16K with a 14hp diesel. Probably 10k less without an engine. http://www.boats.com/nada/nada.jsp Dave Groshong Customer Service SailboatOwners.com Toll Free 877-932-7245 ext.116, Mon-Fri, 9-5 Pacific
Only a few thousand???
A 1987 Catalina 27 in good condition, without an engine, is only worth a few grand?? Wow, maybe I should just put it in my back yard for the kids to play with... now that's depressing.
A 1987 Catalina 27 in good condition, without an engine, is only worth a few grand?? Wow, maybe I should just put it in my back yard for the kids to play with... now that's depressing.
Outboard
By your use of words I'm suspicious that this boat was equipped with an outboard engine, not an inboard deisel. Did it have an outboard? Are you sure there is no engine? If you are not a sailor, it may be that you don't know where the inboard deisel engine is? The answers to these questions will make a huge difference in ths boat's value. I would strongly recommend showing it to a broker.
By your use of words I'm suspicious that this boat was equipped with an outboard engine, not an inboard deisel. Did it have an outboard? Are you sure there is no engine? If you are not a sailor, it may be that you don't know where the inboard deisel engine is? The answers to these questions will make a huge difference in ths boat's value. I would strongly recommend showing it to a broker.
Your right, Jeff.
I have only today been given these few details and not yet seen the boat. I will do some heavy research on the Catalina 27 and take into account you guys' great advice. Again, thanks everyone for helping out an old land dweller! I'll gladly take any more advice, comments or good ole ribbing.
I have only today been given these few details and not yet seen the boat. I will do some heavy research on the Catalina 27 and take into account you guys' great advice. Again, thanks everyone for helping out an old land dweller! I'll gladly take any more advice, comments or good ole ribbing.
Jim
Jim, many 27's were outboard designed and equiped. There was a lazerette in the cockpit at the stern for access and a cutout in the transom for the motor. Older outboard models had this design. A few newer 27's came with an add-on outboard motor mount bolted to the transom. The rest were inboards.
Jim, many 27's were outboard designed and equiped. There was a lazerette in the cockpit at the stern for access and a cutout in the transom for the motor. Older outboard models had this design. A few newer 27's came with an add-on outboard motor mount bolted to the transom. The rest were inboards.
I own an '86 ...
By the time 1987 came around, all models had either an inboard universal diesal or an outboard mounted to a bracket on the port stern. The 8-14 thousand referenced by someone is a good range, influenced somewhat by where it is located and how it is equipped. If it's an outboard model WITHOUT a functional outboard, you can deduct a couple grand from that range. If you go to the "boat info" portion of this site and limit your search to your area, you'll see what the competition is. Also, go to yachtworld.com and also do a search for your area. Tom
By the time 1987 came around, all models had either an inboard universal diesal or an outboard mounted to a bracket on the port stern. The 8-14 thousand referenced by someone is a good range, influenced somewhat by where it is located and how it is equipped. If it's an outboard model WITHOUT a functional outboard, you can deduct a couple grand from that range. If you go to the "boat info" portion of this site and limit your search to your area, you'll see what the competition is. Also, go to yachtworld.com and also do a search for your area. Tom
27 catalina
I have an interest in that boat and would be interested in seeing it or possibly trade my 26 oday . I see that you are on LI is trhe boat here as well I too am from the island.
I have an interest in that boat and would be interested in seeing it or possibly trade my 26 oday . I see that you are on LI is trhe boat here as well I too am from the island.
Sounds good, Jeff S.
I'm not exactly sure how it's done on this forum but if you would like to send me your email address, we can talk further about it. Or do I send mine?
I'm not exactly sure how it's done on this forum but if you would like to send me your email address, we can talk further about it. Or do I send mine?
price
I did Yachtworld for 85-87 and got 18 hits. Prices range from 9k to 17k, all with motors, some diesels (one lungers). So if yours has a wheel, roller furling, average sails, the it might be worth 5k to 7k without a motor. The assumption is it is in average to good condition.
I did Yachtworld for 85-87 and got 18 hits. Prices range from 9k to 17k, all with motors, some diesels (one lungers). So if yours has a wheel, roller furling, average sails, the it might be worth 5k to 7k without a motor. The assumption is it is in average to good condition.
Letterman, one question
They are asking 9k to 17k for boats with motors, some diesels (one lungers). I know the boats. The one asking on the high range are more than likely diesel. The ones that are on the low range are more than likely gas. I have to ask why this boat needs an engine. Does it have a dead engine that needs to be remove and replaced? Was the dead engine removed and patched and the owner just sailed off a mooring? This will effect the value of the boat. To replace the engine with an inboard is 10 large. How do you figure might it could be worth 5k to 7k without a motor? It could sit on the market too for ten years at that price. Again, They are asking 9k to 17k for boats with motors. That means they are selling for 7k to 15k.
They are asking 9k to 17k for boats with motors, some diesels (one lungers). I know the boats. The one asking on the high range are more than likely diesel. The ones that are on the low range are more than likely gas. I have to ask why this boat needs an engine. Does it have a dead engine that needs to be remove and replaced? Was the dead engine removed and patched and the owner just sailed off a mooring? This will effect the value of the boat. To replace the engine with an inboard is 10 large. How do you figure might it could be worth 5k to 7k without a motor? It could sit on the market too for ten years at that price. Again, They are asking 9k to 17k for boats with motors. That means they are selling for 7k to 15k.
It's all relative till you sell it.
I figure it out this way. I assume (incorrectly) that most boat owners like me can put in a small motor. I just assume that putting in a small engine is not a big deal. To me, it's a matter of finding one, used, for a song and installing it. And if you search the net, you can find one. For 10 grand, you are talking about hiring someone at some ungodly amount per hour to install it, and buying a new motor. Not me. It's all in how you think. Yes, the asking price might be what I quoted, but then some grease jockey might see it as a bargain assuming...assuming...assuming the boat doesn't look like cr**. Example...we have two identical Cape Dories for sale at our marina. Both are priced the same. One is trashed and the other pristine. The trashed boat owner thinks his boat is perfect, and when it stays on the market for a few years, he might realize it and lower the price, but he won't. It will sit on the back lot till he stops paying his fees, the marina will take it over, then smash it. They did it to seven boats so far this fall and every owner thought they had a great boat worth millions. My boaty neighbor could not change oil when I met him. His first impression of my boat was it was a piece of junk. It is. Sort of. Till you look beyond the cosmetics. Slowly he has been learning how to do things, after I showed him easy stuff, like changing his oil, ungloging his water system etc. Now when he had a problem with his boat, instead of saying "It will cost 10 large ones" or hiring someone to do it, he asks me and we confer and I teach him (hold his hand so to speak) and being a smart guy, gets it and repairs his own stuff. He changed. Today, he would probably buy that boat (he has a 30 Catalina) for his son and find a motor and put it in, with my help, for way under $2000, and he would have a good boat. But, had you asked him three years ago, he would have said it was worth nothing, and it was, to him before he learned how to do things himself. You can always put an outboard on it for a few grand. It's only 27'. 10hp should do it. Bought my 10hp for $400.
I figure it out this way. I assume (incorrectly) that most boat owners like me can put in a small motor. I just assume that putting in a small engine is not a big deal. To me, it's a matter of finding one, used, for a song and installing it. And if you search the net, you can find one. For 10 grand, you are talking about hiring someone at some ungodly amount per hour to install it, and buying a new motor. Not me. It's all in how you think. Yes, the asking price might be what I quoted, but then some grease jockey might see it as a bargain assuming...assuming...assuming the boat doesn't look like cr**. Example...we have two identical Cape Dories for sale at our marina. Both are priced the same. One is trashed and the other pristine. The trashed boat owner thinks his boat is perfect, and when it stays on the market for a few years, he might realize it and lower the price, but he won't. It will sit on the back lot till he stops paying his fees, the marina will take it over, then smash it. They did it to seven boats so far this fall and every owner thought they had a great boat worth millions. My boaty neighbor could not change oil when I met him. His first impression of my boat was it was a piece of junk. It is. Sort of. Till you look beyond the cosmetics. Slowly he has been learning how to do things, after I showed him easy stuff, like changing his oil, ungloging his water system etc. Now when he had a problem with his boat, instead of saying "It will cost 10 large ones" or hiring someone to do it, he asks me and we confer and I teach him (hold his hand so to speak) and being a smart guy, gets it and repairs his own stuff. He changed. Today, he would probably buy that boat (he has a 30 Catalina) for his son and find a motor and put it in, with my help, for way under $2000, and he would have a good boat. But, had you asked him three years ago, he would have said it was worth nothing, and it was, to him before he learned how to do things himself. You can always put an outboard on it for a few grand. It's only 27'. 10hp should do it. Bought my 10hp for $400.
Suspicious
This inquiry has the look and tempo that exactly mayches the email scams from nigeria. "How do I do this (insert task) to get or give money" "I am in a (Insert vague, unlikely scenario) and need advice" "Thank you and good wishes, happy times, good sailing, whatever" Then followed by fast and upbeat responses to advice. I'm guessing hopefully to snag an unsuspecting sailor to "buy" this appearing to possibly be way underpriced item.
This inquiry has the look and tempo that exactly mayches the email scams from nigeria. "How do I do this (insert task) to get or give money" "I am in a (Insert vague, unlikely scenario) and need advice" "Thank you and good wishes, happy times, good sailing, whatever" Then followed by fast and upbeat responses to advice. I'm guessing hopefully to snag an unsuspecting sailor to "buy" this appearing to possibly be way underpriced item.
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